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RE: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum
From: "R. DuFresne" <dufresne () sysinfo com>
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:31:02 -0500 (EST)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Paul Melson wrote:
-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forumI think it would be interesting to know what type of group of wasresponsible for managingthe firewalls in the study. I am moving an account off of a Checkpointbeing managed by aservices organization onto a PIX platform (no intent to start a vendorwar) - and I havebeen surpised by the permissiveness, and redundancy, in the "managed" ruleset. The managed set broke two of the major rules in the documented inthe paper - andpossibly a third if I had it on front of me. Of course this takes a new tangent; but it would be an interesting study.Haha! I have to tell you, as soon as I read this, I immediately thought of two vendors and am wondering if either of them are the vendor in this case. But embarrassing vendors - as fun as it is - isn't part of the list charter. The one thing that always struck me funny about these situations where an MSSP does a lousy job of remotely managing a Check Point rule base is that, in order to get Check Point's seal of approval, you've got to run Provider-1, which is a fairly large cash layout to start a service like that. But then to not spend much if any money on staff and staff training... I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I am. And amused. But only because it's not my firewall. :-)
Ahh, MSSP's, interesting worked with a couple over the years and discovered that again for the most poart they tended to staff with contractors with the same skills as a monkey with a fine tool can accomplish. Jhiring someone with or near to acquireing a CISSP, and giving them enough training so they are somewaht familiar with the layout of the gUI to manges a checkpoint firewall box, yet not a clue as to what the ports and protocols residing on those ports means, ended up with pretty much open routers for the vast majority of clients. Thing I got into arguments about with fellow staff and managers all the time was; a client makes a stupid request, so what to I as the responsible tech in such a case do? My argument was, let the client know why there request to open up the world to theit network in a nast way was in fact stupid, they afterall were paying for my expertise and guidance. Should the client still insist that I impliment the stupid request, then yes, it's their network and they have a full right to do stupid things in their own nest. What I was combatting were those lazy folks that just insisted the job at hand was to impliment and close the ticket as fast as possible as it looked good to upper mgt for the fast turn around.
Of course, I was often shocked at the SLA's that formed the basis of the outsoourced security contracts, which often failed to mention or request/demand that expertise on the MSSP side was truely a factor in the managed needs of the clients. Noe gets what one bargainsand pays for....
Thanks, Ron DuFresne- -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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