Re: OT: Av and Gartner...

[Dave Piscitello <dave () corecom com>]

At 11:37 PM 7/30/2003 -0400, Marcus J Ranum wrote:
> John Keeton wrote:
> >Also, anyone have any experiance with Garner regarding security items?
>
> You virtually never see anyone on thier stupid
> magic quadrant who is not a Gartner research customer or a
> consulting customer.

Perhaps coincidence, but the directory hierarchy at Gartner.com seems to 
corroborate Marcus' claim:

http://www.gartner.com/reprints/neoteris/114185.html

Save the visit to the hyperlink: Neoteris is in the magic quadrant.

Still, I'm curious...

Has anyone on the list ever revisited one of Gartner's magic quadrants 
several years later to see whether their predictions of who is able to 
execute and who has the most complete vision were accurate?




> Does Gartner test technology? No. What do they actually
> base their "recommendations" on?

Marcus, all you have to do is *read* their disclaimer:

"...The information contained herein has been obtained from sources 
believed to be reliable. Gartner disclaims all warranties as to the 
accuracy, completeness or adequacy of such information. Gartner shall have 
no liability for errors, omissions or inadequacies in the information 
contained herein or for interpretations thereof. The reader assumes sole 
responsibility for the selection of these materials to achieve its intended 
results. The opinions expressed herein are subject to change without notice."

As security professionals, we all know the value of "sources believed to be 
reliable". Isn't this the fundamental precept for all authentication 
methods? :-)

BTW, the domain name magicquadrantssuck.com is available...

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