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RE: Annoying pop-ups
From: "Scott, Richard" <Richard.Scott () BestBuy com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:30:47 -0600
<snip> While, generally speaking, I agree with the premise that dangerous services should have to be turned on not off, you guys miss my point entirely. There are many "dangerous" features in MS's desktop OS's (take UPNP or the RDP server, for example)-- but the messenger service is not one of them. The service provides useful functionality used by admins all over to broadcast messages to their LAN's (particularly easy and useful in flat environments). </snip> You have reinforced my argument. How many people bought XP and use it on a LAN? Forget us Geeks, we know what to do. But what about Little James, or Mary Poppins or in fact any other millions of regular users? I agree, maybe this should have been switched on in an Enterprise edition (if at all!) maybe, definitely not a home version. Whilst, I mention MS, I am not bashing them, all vendors do it, but most vendors do not have the majority of their market share owned by regular users. And correct me if I am wrong, Bill wants MS O/S on every PC on every desk. Firewalling is a technical solution to a technical problem, agreed. But what we have is a fundamental problem, not just with this but other functionality to. I agree, if you read this list you are more than a techno savy person. But not everyone does, they tend to hear it from the register or some other news web site. It is not the non geeks that must step up to the plate, as geeks, vendors and techno dudes we must provide systems that are usable and safe. Maybe if the legal system was like you rationale, we wouldn't be able to use litigation since we are all supposed to be knowledgeable about everything. <snip> P.S. Forget your "they should have made it different in the first place" argument for a moment and answer this: If your dear sweet grandmother was going to hook her Windows 98 machine up to her shiny new cable modem, and you were the one helping her do it, would you turn off all the services and build some sort of weird bastion98 installation, or would you just firewall it? (Either by buying a packet-filtering/NATing cable modem, or by installing some personal firewall software like ZA?) What's that? You'd firewall it? Go figure. </snip> Agreed. But well design usability covers all of this. Should I want this I should easily be able to get it working. Should I require all the other technical solutions? Why should anyone help dear grandma in the first place? Shouldn't the system work exactly how it is. If I am on high speed network solely from home, why would grandma want the messenger functionality? In fact, what benefit would such messages be? Separate the end users and the techno geeks. Maybe we wil have home managed solutions for such in the future! Cheers r. _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- RE: Annoying pop-ups R. DuFresne (Nov 01)
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- RE: Annoying pop-ups Gregory Austin (Nov 01)
- RE: Annoying pop-ups R. DuFresne (Nov 01)
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- RE: Annoying pop-ups Gregory Austin (Nov 01)
- RE: Annoying pop-ups R. DuFresne (Nov 01)
- RE: Annoying pop-ups Paul Robertson (Nov 01)
- RE: Annoying pop-ups Christopher Hicks (Nov 01)
- RE: Annoying pop-ups Paul D. Robertson (Nov 01)
- RE: Annoying pop-ups Bill Royds (Nov 02)
- RE: Annoying pop-ups Gregory Austin (Nov 01)
- Re: Annoying pop-ups Gary Flynn (Nov 01)