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Re: Exactly 500 word essay on "Why hacking is cool, so that Marcus changes his web site"
From: Jonathan Karon <jkaron () animusrex com>
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:34:56 -0700
Marcus et al, With all due respect, and I really do mean that, and at the risk of getting too political (though politics and hacking seem to be indivisible), I'd like to hack some of your assumptions. Mind you, I'm not prepared to defend any of this as my position, I just think political and cultural theory is good for computer security. It seems when you say tyranny, you're really saying "physically coercive governmental entity". What about societal / economic systems that are implicitly tyrannic, and engineered to both support a governmental status quo and be self sustaining? To refer back to a previous thread, if you don't have the language or genetics for dissent, are you not living under a tyranny by default? In terms specific to this discussion, what if your struggle is not against a government, but rather against the "free market" corporations that hold sway over that government? In that context, where consumer credit is the gold standard of business, personal information is currency, and crucial systems are only crucial for ongoing profit, any compromise that disrupts the norms of business is a strike for freedom. Any compromise that shows an individual how vulnerable they are to the whims of business is a strike for freedom. And a reminder - political history is written by the victors, and only sums up the obvious. That failed, fallen, and disfavored dictatorships always went down in history as physically coercive merely means that is what they were remembered for. And yes, violence is a very effective means of coercion. But so is societal suppression, newspeak and, my favorite, the American Dream. ~jk
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