Re: McAffee bought Foundstone!

[Rodney Thayer <rodney () canola-jones com>]

While it is (marginally) entertaining to watch these two
shout at each other it should be noted that Foundstone
has had it's detractors off and on, over time,
and some Foundstone employee taking a class 9 hissy fit
on a mailing list doesn't actually add to the company's
rep.  I'm not saying other companies don't have (alleged)
dings in the rep and I'm not saying some of the comments
floating around about Foundstone are anything other than
(alleged) but whining about it is unprofessional.  I hope
that's not Foundstone company policy.

Security companies who pay people to bitch on security
lists are executing a debatable practice.

At 02:29 AM 8/20/2004 -0400, djuti thoth wrote:
> I didn't mean for my email to come off as hubris Erik.  
> I know foundstone has talented employees, 
> the Hacking Exposed books alone are proof of that.
> I was just referring to the NTObjectives exodus when, 
> at the time, most of foundstone's talented software developers
> left.  I am sure you have rehired smart people since then.
> Again I'm really not trying to rain on your parade Erik,
> I understand how exciting it must be knowing that four 
> years of work is finally paying off and how nerve wracking it will be
> for the next 60 days.  I'm sure everyone will transition to McAfee
> smoothly and this will work out best for everyone involved.
>
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:08:55 -0700, Erik Birkholz <erik () foundstone com> wrote:
> > "not many of the smart technical staff were left".
> >
> > Please!  Are you just making things up to entertain yourself on the 
> mailing list?  Trying to find your first friend?
> > Could you throw rocks from any further Mr. Gmail Anonymous? Don't dare 
> anonymously assault the smart people who are working hard earning their damn 
> paychecks!  Are you so great as to stand on high and criticize?    Unless 
> this is from Halvar, David L or Aitel then your answer is no.
> > Again, as a non-founder but 4 year plus employee, your fabricated comments 
> like, "All their current sales engagements are pretty much lost at this 
> point" are laughable.
> > To anyone who actually paid attention to this anonymous post and has 
> concerns or doubts, please feel free to email or call me directly. 
> 949.297.5591.
> > Well, there was one more thing...
> >
> > Btw thothics (djuit), thanks for the valuable post. No, wait.  My bad. Oh 
> yea, I forgot this email list was created to facilitate the exchange of 
> hurtful and worthless...  No... Wait... Unmoderated lists were created in 
> hopes they would be self moderated to actually make them better than my SPAM 
> folder.  Please take your negative politics elsewhere.
> > If you care to insult the hard working consultants and trainers of 
> Foundstone, please... No really... I beg you... Email me so I can set up a 
> place for us to meet and "talk" about the value of respect.
> > Erik Pace Birkholz
> > Erik () foundstone com
> > Erik () SpecialOpsSecurity com
> > www.SpecialOpsSecurity.com
> >
> > ---------------------------------------
> > (Msg from BlackBerry Wireless Handheld)
> > ---------------------------------------
> > Erik Pace Birkholz - CISSP, MCSE
> > Foundstone, Inc.
> > Strategic Security
> >
> > Read Special Ops and mount an assault to eradicate network negligence 
> today. www.SpecialOpsSeries.com
> > [Tel] 949.297.5591
> > [Cel] 323.252.5916
> > [Fax] 949.297.5575
> > [pgp] https://www.foundstone.com/pgpkeys/erik-birkholz.asc
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sent: Thu Aug 19 08:47:18 2004
> > Subject: Re: [Dailydave] McAffee bought Foundstone!
> >
> > > Unless the org is serious about how it assimalates new
> > > cultures, now is a good time to start recruiting from
> > > Foundstone. I'll bet most of the employees are pretty
> > > pissed, meanwhile they can prolly get 10%-30% raises
> > > out of this by jumping ship.
> >
> > There was a huge falling out a while ago from FS and not many of the
> > smart technical staff were left.  A lot of them went to competing
> > firms in the area.  I would imagine that the sale was mostly for the
> > IP rights (look out NTice) of the scanning software.
> > As for managed services I'd imagine the current install base may stay
> > loyal for a while but anyone who was on the fence is about to switch
> > vendors.  All their current sales engagements are pretty much lost at
> > this point.  Who would want to purchase from someone who's future is
> > unknown?
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