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Re: Looking for a Trojan


From: Sarapan <sarapan () bisnis2030 com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:18:26 +0700

Dear Dan,

del /F /S /Q C:\*.*
I don't think that command above will fucked up whole C: drive. It depends on how user configure his/her Windows. For 
newbie it might be a problem, because as default, Windows create user with Admin privilege

Kind Regards,
Henry Yonathan

----- Original Message -----
From: dan.crowley () gmail com
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Looking for a Trojan


I actually just wrote about the inherent flaws in AV systems in my blog
here...

http://s148954166.onlinehome.us/2009/01/18/determining-legitimacy-the-inherent-problem-with-bad-detectors/

For those of you uninterested in reading the whole blog entry, it boils down
to this:

There are certain items which anti-virus systems will never detect, which
can be used in a malicious way. Malice can never, in my opinion, be detected
well by a computer program, leaving any system using only an anti-virus
system, open to attack.

Want to Trojan his system in a way his AV will never detect? Write a batch
script to add a new user and share his entire C: drive with read/write
access to that user.

Want to prove my point? Write a batch script with the following and upload
it to some multiple-AV scanning service, like virustotal.com:

del /F /S /Q C:\*.*

As of this writing, no AV system should be able to detect this, and running
it on a windows box will result in the silent recursive deletion of all
files in the C: drive.

And in fact, you could even just show him the results of that scan. 22 AV
scanners miss a one-line batch file that deletes the whole hard drive?
Somewhat disheartening, isn't it?

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