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RE: University Degree or CISSP
From: "Craig Wright" <cwright () bdosyd com au>
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:30:16 +1100
I would hope for something more than GSEC. At least one level 5 SANs Cert, a CCSP or CCNP. If you are reliant on a certification - I would hope for more than GSEC alone unless this person is to be placed into a junior position. Craig -----Original Message----- From: King, Stephen [mailto:sking () chnct org] Sent: 2 February 2006 6:00 To: Al Sutton; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: University Degree or CISSP This thread appears to be going on for sometime and has obviously touched us all personally. Aside from the philosophical justification of either position, the fact remains: The employer decides what credentials they want from a hire. (end of story). Furthermore, the CISSP designation is a security generalists certification aimed at management level professionals; and if you are management 99.9% of the time you are required to have a degree anyhow. If you are to be a practitioner of "hands-on" technical controls and other "front linesman" work you most likely want a certification like a GSEC or something. Just my two Cents. Stephen CISSP, CISA -----Original Message----- From: Al Sutton [mailto:asutton () argosytelcrest com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:37 AM To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Re: University Degree or CISSP I've also been holding fire on commenting, but as someone who has worked in a univeristy and for large corporates I hope I can make a useful contribution. Degrees are about teaching people how to teach themselves. They're about taking someone who has usually had years of spoon fed education (i.e. "here is the books you need to read and here are the pages that have the answer") and teaching them effective ways of researching a problem for themselves and finding a solution (i.e. "I want to do X, find me the solution"). The subject of the degree gives you knowledge of a subject field and helps you know where to start looking, but at the end of the day pretty much any graduate should be able to take a problem and start to find a solution using the resources available to them (even if it means asking other people for help). CISSP is about giving you specific knowledge. It's not about showing you how to learn, its about giving you the knowledge to know where to look when someone asks you a question about IT security. Knowing which one is more applicable depends on the job you want to do. If you can demonstrate to others that you can do research on your own to find solutions, and others have commented that you're good on it, you may not want to go down the degree route. On the other hand if you think that your abililty to find solutions effectively can do with a little help, and you can find a degree in a relevant subject, then you'll probably find a degree is of us. Whichever you decide, I wish you good luck, because initially finding the right job at the right time that pays the right salary is sometimes as much about luck as qualifications. Al. -- Al Sutton Argosy TelCrest W: www.argosytelcrest.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- EARN A MASTER OF SCIENCE IN INFORMATION ASSURANCE - ONLINE The Norwich University program offers unparalleled Infosec management education and the case study affords you unmatched consulting experience. 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- RE: Re: University Degree or CISSP Bob Hodges (Feb 01)
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- Re: Re: University Degree or CISSP Harrison Holland (Feb 01)
- RE: Re: University Degree or CISSP Al Sutton (Feb 01)
- RE: Re: University Degree or CISSP King, Stephen (Feb 02)
- Re[3]: University Degree or CISSP Vladimir B. Kropotov (Feb 02)
- RE: University Degree or CISSP Craig Wright (Feb 03)
- Re: RE: University Degree or CISSP acicalla01 (Feb 06)