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RE: advice for CEH certification
From: Joseph McCray <joe () learnsecurityonline com>
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:30:05 -0500
I would agree with James on the subject of the CEH not being the best or the worst as I too teach the CEH. I got to look at the CEH v5 materials yesterday and yes he is right they are significantly improved. As far as the subject of what to do for your resume it really boils down to figuring out what you want (skill, cert, or both), and how you want to go about getting it. You have to 2 basic paths as far as formal education for this specific skill set: Certification Based Training: ============================= CEH (EC-Council) CPTS/CPTP (Mile2) OPSA/OPST (ISECOM) Skill-Based Training: ===================== Foundstone SANS BlackHat Workshops There are of course others in both categories just ask Google - but I'm sure you get the idea. I like to tell people that have experience in the field to do the CISSP first, and use all of the above for your continuing education credits required to keep your CISSP. Let's face it, certs get you the interview - but skills/experience/personality get you the job. I think you need both sides of the house really have the best chance at being successful in the field. For people that are new to the field I recommend that they go through the laundry list of certifications: Network+ Linux+ Security+ CEH/CHFI or other listed above Any of the Skill-Based Training listed above .....then the CISSP Your mileage may vary, but I hope this helps. -- Joe McCray Toll Free: 1-866-892-2132 Email: joe () learnsecurityonline com Web: https://www.learnsecurityonline.com Learn Security Online, Inc. * Security Games * Simulators * Challenge Servers * Courses * Hacking Competitions * Hacklab Access On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 15:30 -0600, James Michael Stewart wrote:
I am a CEH instructor. I can't say that CEH is the best certification or course in the market, but it is neither worthless nor the worst course available for the topic. Previous versions of the course had many serious deficiencies. I've started teaching the newly released and revised CEH 5.0 courseware which is significantly better than 4.1. This version still has room for improvement. CEH is not a skills course. It is an introduction and overview of the concepts of hacking for the purposes of security assessment. I do think it is much better and more informative than many of the MOC courses, mainly due to its flexibility and lack of rigid structure. As with any course and certification, it is as valuable as you make it. If you are only in it to pass the exam and get another credential on your resume, it is fairly poor. I doubt CEH would get you a job or promotion over another person without the credential. However, if you are interested in the topic and not already well-versed in the materials and tools, CEH is a great introduction. The CEH class is roughly 1/2 lecture and 1/2 lab work. Functioning in a 1-2 hour lecture/presentation/class discussion, followed by lab time. The courseware books are huge, over 2600 pages. Designed to be used as post-class references. There are 7 CDs of tools, well over 2,000 individual tools. Plus a bootable BackTrack 1.0 CD (yeah 2.0 has just come out...) There is more than enough material to fill an entire week, plus much more content for students to investigate, research, and learn on their own. The value of the class is based on the presentation skills of the instructor as well as the participation and comradery of the students. The CEH exam has been updated to reflect the improved content in the courseware. However, the CEH 4.1 exam is still available until June 2007. CEH is not for everyone, especially those who already know the basics of hacking and who can use both Windows and Linux tools/utilities. A Foundstone or SANS course would be most appropriate for those with moderate security testing experience. James Michael Stewart michael () impactonline com IMPACT Online - www.impactonline.com Austin, TX 78749 -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Shain Singh Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:22 AM To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: advice for CEH certification Cort Boecking wrote:What's wrong with CEH?This is the last time it was discussed. Not sure if people's opinions have changed. http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/105/412138/30/0/threaded nothing wrong with a certification that makes your 1337 ;) -- Shaineel Singh MakePeace Media LTD http://mpm.org.au/shsingh pgp id: 0xA9D8D351 fp: 38 0D A8 C8 74 A2 33 5E CE 0E 5A FA D5 A0 04 7C This message was written entirely with recycled electrons. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is sponsored by: ByteCrusher Detect Malicious Web Content and Exploits in Real-Time. Anti-Virus engines can't detect unknown or new threats. LinkScanner can. Web surfing just became a whole lot safer. http://www.explabs.com/staging/promotions/xern_lspro.asp?loc=sfmaildetect --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is sponsored by: ByteCrusher Detect Malicious Web Content and Exploits in Real-Time. Anti-Virus engines can't detect unknown or new threats. LinkScanner can. Web surfing just became a whole lot safer. http://www.explabs.com/staging/promotions/xern_lspro.asp?loc=sfmaildetect ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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- RE: advice for CEH certification Simmons, James (Dec 21)
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