RE: WIRELESS THEFT

[Orion Robillard <orion () advanced-workflow com>]

You know some people do want to give away their wireless service. If I go
down to my local internet coffee shop and get free wireless everyone is
happy. Why would I care if my neighbor is seemingly offering the same
service? How do I distinguish between free and non-free? I would rather live
in a world where I didnt have to question every free connection I get. If
there is a private SSID then I wont bother to use it. If im tresspassing on
someones land to receive the signal then I wont use it. But if I can sit at
home and open my iBook and a connection pops up, im using it.

I think the people at http://www.austinwireless.net/ or
http://www.bawug.org/ would agree.

-----Original Message-----
From: Teodorski, Chris [mailto:cteodorski () ppg com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:46 PM
To: Alaric Darconville; Jeff Knox
Cc: Mike Dresser; security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT


I am amazed that this discussion continues.....it seems to me....theft of
services is theft of services.   You can't break into my house and use my
stuff just because I don't lock the door......

-----Original Message-----
From: Raoul Armfield [mailto:armfield () amnh org]
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:59 PM
To: Alaric Darconville; Jeff Knox
Cc: Mike Dresser; security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT




:-----Original Message-----
:From: Alaric Darconville [mailto:alaric () cowboy net]
:Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:48 PM
:To: Jeff Knox
:Cc: Mike Dresser; security-basics () securityfocus com
:Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT
:
:
:"that means harmful interference to other devices"
:Which is precisely what I was talking about.  To get any 'usable'
:downstream, you have to send upstream, at first just to initiate the
:connection that you want, and then the normal TCP acknowledgments as you
:receive the data.  The bandwidth you use is bandwidth unavailable to the
:other users, therefore the interference you generate IS harmful (as it
:adversely impacts their authorized usage.)


So are you saying that if I own a two way radio and interfere in the
conversation of a third party that I am breaking the FCC regulation?

Don't get me wrong I agree that it is not proper to use the Wireless signal
that is being transmitted into the posters livingspace but it is a bit
farfetched to call it harmfull interference.

Raoul