RE: Phone Switches + telephone banking etc

["Mike Theriault" <Mike_Theriault () Jabil com>]

Likewise Tony.  I've heard quite a bit of crosstalk on our 'Safety 1st Baby
monitor' during most weekend nights.  This is probably attributed to the
fact that the monitor is a mere 900 MHz transceiver like most older and
newer cordless phones.   

Mike
 -----Original Message-----
From:   Tony Camp [mailto:Tony_Camp () Jabil com] 
Sent:   Friday, June 07, 2002 2:05 PM
To:     Vuln-Dev
Subject:        RE: Phone Switches + telephone banking etc

That sounds well and good, except for my first-hand experience in hearing
someone's bank details coming across a baby monitor.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kayne Ian (Softlab) [mailto:Ian.Kayne () softlab co uk]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:04 AM
To: Vuln-Dev
Subject: RE: Phone Switches + telephone banking etc


->

> I know many banks ( at least in the UK) will say not to use their
> service through cordless phones, maybe they should increase to include

Why's that? I've never heard of a bank making that statement. A cordless
phone is pretty much a minor risk anyway, if someone wanted to go to the
trouble of listening in to your call to the bank, they'd be better off
splicing the phone line outside your house. IIRC DECT fones are scrambled in
some way, so you can't just tune in with a reciever. Non-DECT fones have
enough trouble finding the base station and making a clear call through even
paper thin walls, so someone sitting outside your house is unlikely to get
anything through a few layers of concrete...

£0.02

Ian Kayne
Technical Specialist - IT Solutions
Softlab Ltd - A BMW Company


> -----Original Message-----
> From: quentyn () fotango com [mailto:quentyn () fotango com]
> Sent: 06 June 2002 16:54
> To: vuln
> Subject: Phone Switches + telephone banking etc
>
>
> I was thinking today about phone switches, many of them are 
> connected to
> the internal LAN. Many of them record all the keystrokes made by the
> individual phones (this is the important bit). If one could 
> compromise a
> phone switch (or where ever it stores it's logs) then making 
> free calls
> would be a minor issue. The prize in this situation could be 
> who phoned
> what bank and if you can get the key presses then if that person has
> used the automated telephone banking service, you will have ( at a
> minimum):
>
>  the account number 
>  sort code
>  any verification number
>
>
> has any one done any work in this area ?
>
> I know many banks ( at least in the UK) will say not to use their
> service through cordless phones, maybe they should increase to include
> corporate phone switches.
>
>
>
> Q
>  
> -- 
> #####################
> Quentyn Taylor
> Sysadmin - Fotango
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