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BSIMM update (informIT)
From: brian at fortify.com (Brian Chess)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:11:29 +0100
At no time did it include corporations who use Ounce Labs or Coverity
Bzzzt. False. While there are plenty of Fortify customers represented in BSIMM, there are also plenty of participants who aren't Fortify customers. I don't think there are any hard numbers on market share in this realm, but my hunch is that BSIMM is not far off from a uniform sample in this regard. Brian
-----Original Message----- From: sc-l-bounces at securecoding.org [mailto:sc-l-bounces at securecoding.org] On Behalf Of Kenneth Van Wyk Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:08 PM To: Secure Coding Subject: Re: [SC-L] BSIMM update (informIT) On Jan 28, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Gary McGraw wrote:Among other things, David and I discussed the difference between descriptive models like BSIMM and prescriptive models which purport to tell you what you should do.Thought I'd chime in on this a bit, FWIW... From my perspective, I welcome BSIMM and I welcome SAMM. I don't see it in the least as a "one or the other" debate. A decade(ish) since the first texts on various aspects of software security started appearing, it's great to have a BSIMM that surveys some of the largest software groups on the planet to see what they're doing. What actually works. That's fabulously useful. On the other hand, it is possible that ten thousand lemmings can be wrong. Following the herd isn't always what's best. SAMM, by contrast, was written by some bright, motivated folks, and provides us all with a set of targets to aspire to. Some will work, and some won't, without a doubt. To me, both models are useful as guide posts to help a software group--an SSG if you will--decide what practices will work best in their enterprise. But as useful as both SAMM and BSIMM are, I think we're all fooling ourselves if we consider these to be standards or even maturity models. Any other engineering discipline on the planet would laugh us all out of the room by the mere suggestion. There's value to them, don't get me wrong. But we're still in the larval mode of building an engineering discipline here folks. After all, as a species, we didn't start (successfully) building bridges in a decade. For now, my suggestion is to read up, try things that seem reasonable, and build a set of practices that work for _you_. Cheers, Ken ----- Kenneth R. van Wyk KRvW Associates, LLC http://www.KRvW.com ************************************************************ This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ************************************************************ _______________________________________________ Secure Coding mailing list (SC-L) SC-L at securecoding.org List information, subscriptions, etc - http://krvw.com/mailman/listinfo/sc-l List charter available at - http://www.securecoding.org/list/charter.php SC-L is hosted and moderated by KRvW Associates, LLC (http://www.KRvW.com) as a free, non-commercial service to the software security community. _______________________________________________
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- BSIMM update (informIT) Gary McGraw (Jan 28)
- BSIMM update (informIT) Steven M. Christey (Jan 28)
- BSIMM update (informIT) Kenneth Van Wyk (Feb 03)
- BSIMM update (informIT) McGovern, James F. (eBusiness) (Feb 04)
- BSIMM update (informIT) Brian Chess (Feb 04)
- BSIMM update (informIT) Gary McGraw (Feb 04)
- BSIMM update (informIT) McGovern, James F. (eBusiness) (Feb 04)
- BSIMM update (informIT) McGovern, James F. (eBusiness) (Feb 04)
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- BSIMM update (informIT) Wall, Kevin (Feb 02)
- BSIMM update (informIT) Steven M. Christey (Feb 02)
- BSIMM update (informIT) Gary McGraw (Feb 03)
- BSIMM update (informIT) Mike Boberski (Feb 03)
- BSIMM update (informIT) Steven M. Christey (Feb 03)
- BSIMM update (informIT) Jim Manico (Feb 04)
- BSIMM update (informIT) Steven M. Christey (Feb 04)
- BSIMM update (informIT) Gary McGraw (Feb 04)
- BSIMM update (informIT) Steven M. Christey (Feb 02)