Suresh Ramasubramanian on blocking Chinese networks [fs]

[Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>]

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:55:18 -0500
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh () hserus net>
To: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>
CC: politech () politechbot com
Subject: Re: [Politech] A reply on Chinanet, spam,      and blocking 
Chinese networks
 [fs]

Declan McCullagh writes on 11/18/2003 9:27 AM:

> In our experience, Chinanet is one of the top 3 sources of unsolicited email,

Not all of chinanet, I'd say.  It is not a single entity - it is a large 
collection of provincial ISPs.

One part of chinanet - chinanet-js (Chinanet Jiangsu Province) - has a far 
cleaner and spam free operation than the average chinanet setup.

See this post from Chinanet-JS admin Edd Yu, for example 
<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=492c6d09.0204170418.37fbf217%40posting.google.com> 


Search for further posts from edd_yu [at] yahoo.com on 
news.admin.net-abuse.email for more information on what the situation is, 
wrt spam.

This might not be a retaliatory block at all.  Please also remember that 
China has a trend of government mandated blacklists that all ISPs must 
enforce.  These might be router level blocks, DNS redirects etc.  You might 
want to check if your ISP has landed in one such list. See the studies on 
chinese censorship of the internet, from Jon Zittrain and Ben Edelman of 
Harvard Law School (they have been featured on politech and IP more than once)

        --srs

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ps - Edd will most likely be speaking on a panel about spam problems 
(american spammers setting up shop on asian ISPs, blocklisting issues etc) 
during the conference track on spam at APRICOT 2004 (www.apricot2004.net) 
at Kuala Lumpur.  This conference track, and a hands on workshop on spam, 
will be organized by APCAUCE (http://www.apcauce.org) on Feb 24 and 25.

APRICOT is the largest netops conference in the asia pac region (the asia 
pac equivalent of NANOG, sort of).

The program is not finalized yet - I'll post to politech once it is 
finalized.  However, I can confirm that Dave Crocker has agreed to speak at 
this event.



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