Re: username and Password sent as clear text strings

[David Howe <DaveHowe.Pentest () googlemail com>]

Matthew Zimmerman wrote:
> In my opinion, if you want to mitigate this, don't use passwords.  Use
> true challenge-response.  Everything else proposed here is either
> obfuscation or doesn't really work in a web application environment.
> A VPN around a webserver only works if every user that needs access to
> that webserver can also access the vpn.

that is unfortunately only security though obscurity, and barely worth 
doing - it raises the bar quite a bit (in that the MiTM attacker must 
also modify the transmitted page to request a plaintext password 
instead. a much more demanding task than just recording traffic) but 
requires that you send javascript, java or flash code to actually do the 
challenge-response protocol (and manage the inevitable clients who will 
have that turned off then complain that your site "requires" things they 
consider a security issue).

  Ultimately though, if your attacker can successfully read and modify 
the browser channel (either using browser plugins or indirectly by 
intercepting and modifying the page stream via a MiTM attack) or 
intercept the data entry channel (keyboard/mouse) you have already lost.

  Using IPSEC instead of ssl makes a successful MiTM attack much 
harder, but I am sure you can envision intercept scenarios (mostly 
requiring local pc infection, although this is also a reliable method of 
SSL interception in the first place) where the transmission security is 
bypassed rather than "broken" so it wouldn't matter if the channel were 
provably unbreakable to OTP levels....


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