RE: Legality of blue tooth hacking

[Mark Teicher <mht3 () earthlink net>]

OOPS:

"Any act that which information is obtained 
withOUT the owner's consent is breaking the law 
or violating the terms of employment.


At 07:51 PM 3/19/2006, Mark Teicher wrote:
> That is correct and how the incident occurred.. 
> The question originally posted and asked, is 
> what is the legality of this particular 
> situation.  IMHO, it was an illegal act and in 
> doing so, the security practice director should 
> be removed from his position and summarily 
> terminated, but since I guess the company he 
> works for condoned his behavior, they stated "he 
> is so smart" and allowed him to continue his 
> presentation.  Any act that which information is 
> obtained with the owner's consent is breaking 
> the law or violating the terms of employment.
>
> At 05:02 AM 3/17/2006, Cedric Blancher wrote:
> > Le vendredi 17 mars 2006 à 10:28 +0100, tomaz Bratusa a écrit :
> > > In my opinion there's no problem because the guy who tested bluetooth
> > > security didn't have evil intent. He was just checking devices and
> > > informing people about security holes in their devices.
> >
> > As far as I understand the story, he wasn't just testing their security,
> > he was actually breaking into their phones to download their personal
> > data and then show them they were vulnerable, without their prior
> > consent. In that case, he can fully argue good faith, but what he does
> > is illegal. It's the main difference between doing things you belive
> > legitimate (I'm trying to help) and legal stuff (I'm not breaking the
> > law). You can help people, but actually breaking the law, and thus doing
> > illegal things.
> >
> > The thing is law (at least in France) on computer crime does not take
> > intent in account. It defines what's an intrusion as using the system
> > without owner consent. There's no "legitimate purpose" for breaking into
> > IT systems (without owner consent). So you may have the best intentions
> > in the world, if you're breaking into a system without prior consent,
> > you break the law, period.
> >
> > Futhermore, the OP question was on bluetooth hacking as a more general
> > matter:
> >
> >         "He got up and presented the information saying there was no law
> >         preventing him from snarfing information."
> >
> > I understand this as "if I was a malicious user, you couldn't sue me
> > because there is no law that actually prevents me to download your
> > personal data from your phone". And that is just plainly untrue. Now
> > maybe my english not being good prevent me from understanding some
> > subtility in this.
> >
> > And as WiFi and wireless protocols in general privacy over the air was
> > mentioned before, downloading stuff from a phone using a wireless link
> > is truely different from just listening or probing around. Thus, I don't
> > think you can compare it to wardriving for instance.
> >
> > > Are you a burglar if you go past your fiends house and see that the
> > > front door is open na take o look?
> >
> > To me, analogies with real world mostly suck...
> >
> >
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