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Re: Government Compliance


From: frank_kenisky () psc uscourts gov
Date: 16 Jun 2005 19:09:05 -0000

Thanks goodness they changed the forums fomat. Someone is using their heads for something other than a place to hang a 
sweater cap.

That said, I have replied to Dave and sympathize with his plight.  I too am with a "Gov Agency".  Probably not the one 
Dave's associated with.  Through my years I have learned one thing within the Gov, power and knowledge are not one and 
the same.

Information Security within the gov is an oximoron.  Most agency CIO's and CISO's have about as much knowledge of 
Information Security as the half a sleep rent a cop downstairs checking badges.

Now I don't want to get off on a rant here but, one agency I worked with as an Information Security Auditor (for the 
Inspector General) investigated me after I supervised a contracted pen test team for breaking into the email of the 
agency IG.  Short story, apparently at one of the sites we tested there had been a problem with an employee embezzling 
funds in excess of $500,000.00.  The IG was investigating the problem on site and also had a presence there.  When one 
of the pen testers asked me, 'What does OIG stand for?' it quickly raised a red flag with me.

I asked who were the emails from and to?  The pen tester stated the names of the IG himself and other investigators.  I 
made the decision to take the information as evidence to show the IG that we needed to have our own domain and separate 
subnets and use encryption for communications.  Instead of realizing the benefit of this they put me through two years 
of an incitement by a Federal Grand Jury.

Today they have retired and are living quietly with their grand children all the while the legacy they left behind has 
only got worse.

I now work as the Security Specialist with a different agency.  My job is simple.  I pen test our web sites.  Policy, 
Requirements and legal stuff are not my concern.  The sooner he realizes that the power within the Government can only 
make your life miserable and cost you and your family a lot of heartache and unrecoverable mondy, the sooner he will 
begin to live a long life.

The Government was here before us and it will be here a long time afterwards without us.

It's frustrating to read the next days headlines about the latest hacked Gov agency.  We just had one.  Why?, because 
the powers that be have no knowledge why.


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