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Re: Government Compliance


From: "Jay D. Dyson" <jdyson () treachery net>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:48:15 -0700 (PDT)

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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Dave wrote:

Ok, I have big problems with this. There are seperate and distinct requirements for maintaining password complexity, performing vuln scans, AND performing penetration testing. Any industry guideline or resource would never allow this "definition".

It's said that the Giraffe was a Horse designed by committee. With that in mind, what you're seeing are security decisions made by committee as well.

Sadly, a lot of agencies (government, corporate and alleged institutions of higher learning) have the same approach. Managerial politics and sales drones are more influential in policy decisions than the input of clued security people. That's why we have 99% of the messes we see today.

As a consequence, rather than having said organizations do some serious legwork and construct a solution appropriate to IT requirements, the managerial types tend to simply buy the sizzle of a salesman and go with Brand X's COTS solution (sic). Similarly, Open Source solutions and methodologies (most of which are far superior to COTS in most every respect) are eschewed because "they cannot be trusted" and "they have no tech support." (Their reasons, not mine.)

The solution? If you can find one, I'll put in a good word for you at the Norwegian Nobel Committee. My successes in this area have been limited to picking up the pieces after things go to hell and slowly cultivating opportunities in which I can influence, alter, or annihilate said policies. It ain't for the faint of heart.

Am I wrong? Am I over reacting?

        If you are, then I am as well.

- -Jay

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