Re: MBSA scanner

[Javier Fernandez-Sanguino <jfernandez () germinus com>]

Rob Shein wrote:

> I think you're confusing code with output.  The licenses you cite with
> regard to both SARA and MBSA have restrictions upon redistribution of the
> product, not the output of the product.  

I'm confusing them because output might _include_ significant 
information that is in the code. The license covers both the software 
and the reports they generate, it does not explicitly exclude the 
later (so under copyright laws it _is_ included).

Again, notice that the output of the product is based on (sometimes 
lengthy) information that is included in the code of the product. So, 
all the suggestions on how to fix a vulnerability that a report might 
include are like a "knowledge base" of sorts, which is copyrighted. 
This includes also detailed information on a vulnerabilities (what 
does it do, how does it affect a system). Without the original 
author's permission you can't translate that at will, you cannot 
provide that report as a commercial offering (inside a report or 
standalone) and you cannot (taking it to the extreme) include the 
information from that report into your new brand vulnerability 
assesment tool with different code to assess the vulnerabilities but 
similar output.

Notice that, if that was permitted under copyright law, there would be 
nothing preventing Nessus, Internet Scanner, Cybercop, Retina, 
you_name_it from using the same vulnerability database. If you 
consider the output in the public domain you could run a test against 
a host that turns out vulnerable to everything that is in the database 
(maybe faking the answers) and then copy the information from the 
report to your propietary or free vulnerability assesment system. 
That's obviously illegal.

> With regard to SAINT, however, you
> may have a point.
>
> Nessus is another example; the GPL has the same restrictions on distribution
> in either binary or source code format for money, but it's very clear that
> using Nessus in the course of one's work and including its output in the
> deliverable is entirely acceptable within the license terms.

That's because Reanud, as well as other Nessus developers (me 
included) wanted to make a distinction in that side. Notice that the 
output of Nessus is still copyrighted (it's part of the NASL script) 
and you cannot do whatever you like (such as including it in a closed 
source scanner)

Please read the thread in the Nessus plugins writers that started at
http://list.nessus.org/plugins-writers/0312/1001.html


And also read the GPL FAQ:
"In what cases is the output of a GPL program covered by the GPL too?"
(http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCWhatCaseIsOutputGPL)
and
"Is there some way that I can GPL the output people get from use of my 
program? For example, if my program is used to develop hardware 
designs, can I require that these designs must be free?"
(http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCGPLOutput)


Regards

Javier


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