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RE: XPSP2 compatability
From: "OBrien, Brennan" <BOBrien () columbia com>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:32:34 -0700
This is such BS... Look, a lot of us aren't having any significant problems with SP2. MOST of the apps listed on the link you provide are home user apps, rather than corporate apps. Are there problems w/ SP2? Of course there are. MS made a lot of changes, and fallout is to be expected. This would be the same thing if the same level of changes were made to any other OS. Indeed, lets make a little guess that there are a million applications for Windows... this list has what, 20 entries? 20/1,000,000 = 0.002% of applications that are currently having problems. Get over it. If you're so against MS, DON'T USE THE STUFF. It really is that simple. All the open sourcer's tell us they make systems that are spiff, so use that... Oh, you say the performance sucks (ala OpenOffice)? You're frustrated that getting decent information and documentation is difficult? Well, hey, it's programmers, you don't expect a lot of docs from them. You don't know enough about linux and don't like having to tinker with it all the time to get it to work? Yeah, cars are like that, too... Come off this MS Bashing. They really did give us what we asked for -- I put a SP2 box out on the internet raw (without any customization after installation) and guess what... it survived 49 hours (and counting) without being compromised. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Burge [mailto:bill () burge com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:49 PM To: pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: RE: XPSP2 compatability I'm gonna have to go with "grassy knoll shooters" for 500 dollars, Alex. Based on this list, I think there is a conspiracy afoot. I've dealt with Microsoft for many years and at MANY different levels ranging from customer to competitor to takeover object - I trust them as far as I can throw Redmond. The apps on the list represent many of the apps and families of apps that made Windows OS's (can I call them that?) popular. There are first run games, office productivity applications (many from MS, who would have already tested them and KNOWN they wouldn't work) and the anti-virus applications as well as PC protection apps many have come to rely on for a feeling of protection. They can't possibly think that the Windows using world would just go on without them? http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxps p2 And the list will only g-r-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-w... After getting kicked in the butt all around the 'Net for making an OS with all the security of cheese cloth, Bill G has come back and given us what "we asked for" - a "much more secure" (useless) version of Windows. I'm guessing there is already a less restrictive, more permissive, version of SP2 waiting in the wings (or reg setting). It might even be SP2rc2 (which might just be SP2 with the "added security 'off' by default") - but Windows users will have to choose to run a less secure Windows - and that is what he wants. "I gave you a more secure Windows - but you chose not to run it." Some call me paranoid, I call it experience... ;-) bb *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/17/2004 at 11:33 AM Jon Cheuvront wrote:
Same here, I've been using XPsp2RC2 with no problems, now WinPCAP is broken and ethereal will not work (I use all day long with the admin interface for NFR Sentivist). The only problem I have now is the service pack will NOT uninstall, how would have guessed it crashes when I try to remove it. I'm done with MS, I'm loading Linux and just use vmware or rdc for the ms apps. -JC --- Jon Cheuvront Network System Technologies, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Roman Fomichev [mailto:from () e-solutions lv] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 3:52 AM To: Anjin; pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: Re: XPSP2 compatability I have been using ethereal for years. I have been using XPSP2 since
rc1.
No problems. On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:50:32 +0930, Anjin <wildcard () internode on net> wrote:Following up on the item from James, it also seems that XPSP2 is incompatible with WinPCAP. Both Snort and Ethereal fail with an identical error when XPSP2 is installed. Removing the patch solves the problem.
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- RE: XPSP2 compatability, (continued)
- RE: XPSP2 compatability Corey Watts-Jones (Aug 20)
- RE: XPSP2 compatability Paris E. Stone (Aug 18)
- RE: XPSP2 compatability Chris Fussell (Aug 20)
- RE: XPSP2 compatability Joe Smith (Aug 19)
- RE: XPSP2 compatability Yonatan Bokovza (Aug 19)
- RE: XPSP2 compatability Monroe, Bruce (Aug 19)
- RE: XPSP2 compatability DeGennaro, Gregory (Aug 20)
- RE: XPSP2 compatability Todd Towles (Aug 20)
- RE: XPSP2 compatability Joe Smith (Aug 22)
- RE: XPSP2 compatability Chris Brenton (Aug 22)
- RE: XPSP2 compatability Joe Smith (Aug 22)
- RE: XPSP2 compatability OBrien, Brennan (Aug 20)
- Re: XPSP2 compatability Kevin Sheldrake (Aug 21)
- Re: XPSP2 compatability Jophn Deo (Aug 22)
- Re: XPSP2 compatability Max (Aug 24)
- Re: XPSP2 compatability Kevin Sheldrake (Aug 21)
- RE: XPSP2 compatability Wozny, Scott (US - New York) (Aug 20)
- Re: XPSP2 compatability Kevin Sheldrake (Aug 21)
- Re: XPSP2 compatability Michael Richardson (Aug 24)
- Re: XPSP2 compatability Kevin Sheldrake (Aug 24)
- Re: XPSP2 compatability Michael Richardson (Aug 24)
- Re: XPSP2 compatability Kevin Sheldrake (Aug 21)