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Re: [PEN-TEST] War Dialers (and acoustic couplers)
From: "Dunker, Noah" <NDunker () FISHNETSECURITY COM>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:14:05 -0500
I just use my trusty acoustic coupler for most tasks like this. Some digital systems will still accept DTMF over the handset, so a coupler works fine. Automated scans using a wardialer are impossible or really hard using this method, as the digital phone doesn't know the status of the modem's hook, ergo never hangs up and gives a fresh dial tone. I know one particular person who uses an acoustic coupler with ToneLoc on a digital PBX, and just manually depress and release the hook. Very inefficient, but it works for him. As a COMPLETE side-note I wrote a nice article on how to build an el-cheapo coupler that will give you about 2400 bps because of a complete lack of echo and noise cancellation. You can buy a Telecoupler II for $150, and it advertises 33.6k (and it works that fast on a good fone line), but it can't do more than 2400 on a payphone, so IMHO, just build your own. =P http://hir.chewies.net/articles/hir9/hir9-5.txt -----Original Message----- From: Todd Beebe [mailto:todd () SECURELOGIX COM] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:23 AM To: PEN-TEST () SECURITYFOCUS COM Subject: Re: War Dialers Gerald, how do you clients handle outbound modem calls on digital phone lines (using convertors such as Linestein) or outbound modem calls on analog fax lines? -----Original Message----- From: Batten, Gerald [mailto:GBatten () EXOCOM COM] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:08 AM To: PEN-TEST () SECURITYFOCUS COM Subject: Re: [PEN-TEST] War Dialers I agree, in an environment where dial-up modems are allowed, you need proper penetration testing. Most of my clients don't allow dial-up lines at all, except for faxes, which is why ToneLoc is perfect for what I need to do. If the list of numbers don't match the list of known fax machines, we just track down the offending line and cut it. Most of my clients will just give me their admin passwords for their dial-ups (after I've signed about a million legal contracts), and I compare that to their password rules within their policy. It's more cost-effective for my client to just give me their passwords than for me to try to guess the dial-up ones. I'll do a brute force on the network accounts, but not the dial-ups. Just my 2c. worth. Gerald.
-----Todd's Message----- From: Todd Beebe [mailto:todd () SECURELOGIX COM] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:47 PM To: PEN-TEST () SECURITYFOCUS COM Subject: Re: War Dialers Toneloc is good for finding modems. But, the value of the commercial products (both TeleSweep Secure and PhoneSweep) is the username/password guessing (read vulnerability testing). Knowing you have 55 numbers that answer with a tone and knowing that you have 55 numbers that answer with tone and have easily guessable username/passwords are two different things. The comparison in the IP world is running a port scanner and a vulnerability scanner. You can either receive a list of xxx number of systems that MIGHT be running vulnerable services and xxx number of systems that ARE running vulnerable systems. If you use a war dialer or port scanner, someone will need to manually test the target systems to find out if they need attention to fix the vulnerabilities.Compared to: 2. ToneLoc (tools) url: http://www.securityfocus.com/tools/48 Alfred Huger VP of Engineering SecurityFocus.com
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