Re: layoff because of non-mainstream political views and activism[working in banking environment Europe]

[Adrien de Beaupre <adriendb () gmail com>]

I would have to say it is highly dependent on your local laws and
corporate policies.
In which case check with the Human Resources and Legal Counsel. If you have
neither, then I wouldn't even go there.

Here in Canada, I believe it would be illegal, and possibly open you
up to civil liability.
Which is why very few employers fire 'with cause', they just lay you
off with a package.

Cheers,
Adrien

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Bacon Zombie <baconzombie () gmail com> wrote:
> I know in Ireland it is illegal for your employer { interviewer } to
> ask what Religion or Political beliefs are.
> Now I'm not says they will not find something else to " officially "
> fire you for.....
>
> BaconZombie
>
>
> On 8 December 2010 18:56, Michael Miller <mike.mikemiller () gmail com> wrote:
> > I know in some European nations some political parties are verboten.
> > I could see a government viewing activism or ones view belonging to a
> > political party or ideology.  Like some of the others have said it's
> > going to depend on local or federal government laws.  In the United
> > States we have protected rights in our Constitution and Bill of
> > Rights.  I'm sure some lawyer could convince 12 jurors that if a
> > company fired you for having activist views leaning to Wikileaks or
> > the Pirate Party.  An you where fired due to said views.  You could
> > have a good civil case.  Then again I'm not a lawyer so I could be way
> > off base here.
> >
> > --mmiller
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Jack Daniel <jackadaniel () gmail com> wrote:
> > > > Is it possible and why to fire someone because of non-mainstream
> > > > activism/views? For example a Wikileaks activist or a pirate party
> > > > member? We work in Europe banking business. My boss says yes.
> > >
> > > It depends on your local laws and if you have a contract.  In the US,
> > > it varies from state to state.  Here in the Massachusetts we are
> > > considered "at will" employees unless under contract, and either party
> > > can terminate the arrangement at will, and without cause.  That
> > > doesn't let an employer fire you for  invalid reasons (age, religion,
> > > race, etc.), but it does make it easy to get rid of employees.  Sadly,
> > > this also means that as an employer you are always better off not
> > > giving a reason for termination.
> > >
> > > I think your organization's policy manual is a good starting place to
> > > search for civil terms for termination.  I assume the judgment is
> > > based on Wikileaks or the Pirate Party being "illegal" organizations
> > > in the bank's opinion.  There is one advantage you have in the EU,
> > > privacy laws limit how much of your behavior your employer is allowed
> > > to monitor- so they should have a harder time proving your activities
> > > while on the job.
> > >
> > > Jack
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