Re: N91 Women mixer on Sunday?

["Morris, Tina via NANOG" <nanog () nanog org>]

We still have a lunch, it is welcome to all as it always has been.  It has been widened to talk about many aspects of 
DEI. The NANOG PC is charged with putting a talk up on the stage just before then we continue the conversation during 
lunch.

The mixer is an additional thing we are doing that is very intentional to drive connection, inclusion, and networking 
for those that identify as female.  Given we are only 10-12% of the population at NANOG, I have received direct 
feedback from newcomers that this was very helpful for them to have a successful first meeting.

The hope is by doing it Sunday afternoon at 5pm people will be arriving for the meeting Monday morning.  As most travel 
on Sunday anyway.


Tina Morris

On Mar 29, 2024, at 01:05, Eric Parsonage <eric () eparsonage com> wrote:



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It's easily fixed by having a mixer at the same time for the other half of the gathering population thus showing all 
the population gathering matters equally.



On 29 March 2024 2:50:19 pm ACDT, Ren Provo <ren.provo () gmail com> wrote:
I beg to differ here and second Ilissa’s comments.  I miss WiT.  Lunch during the meeting worked.  Giving up more of 
the weekend to travel does not show half the population gathering matters.


On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 15:16 Morris, Tina via NANOG <nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>> wrote:
Illissa,
The mixer is at 5pm Sunday, this allows people to network and prepare for the week. Sunday also has a hackathon, 
registration, and often a welcome social. NANOG has a very compressed schedule and another time would actually mean 
that the women participating would have to pick between this event and another event or talk  that may be critical to 
their job function, which is also unfair.

We are advertising this mixer to make sure all are aware and can attend, and the mixers will  be on the schedule at the 
same approximate time at each meeting going forward.

I hope we will see you there.

Tina Morris


On Mar 28, 2024, at 14:12, Thomas Scott <mr.thomas.scott () gmail com<mailto:mr.thomas.scott () gmail com>> wrote:



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> While the times are changing, women continue to remain primary caregivers for families and this will require them to 
> desert their families a day early.  I find it offensive personally and feel like you may have missed the mark.

The hackathon has for (as far as I’ve known about it) been on Sunday. I don’t work on Sundays - it’s a day for my 
family (unless the almighty pager goes off), so I’ve never gone - even though it’s one of the parts of NANOG I’d enjoy, 
and would benefit from the most.

There are tradeoffs for everything - perhaps the idea was to keep the women’s mixer separate from the other evening 
events, so that those who wish to participate, can do all of the evening events, and not have to give up anything, at 
the cost of the extra day. That being said, I agree, moving more to Sunday is not an acceptable answer to me.

Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott

On Mar 28, 2024 at 1:45:07 PM, Ilissa Miller <ilissa () imillerpr com<mailto:ilissa () imillerpr com>> wrote:
For those that know me, I rarely provide constructive input about NANOG matters due to my past affiliation, however, I 
just saw that NANOG announced the Women mixer on Sunday before NANOG 91 and am outraged for all of the young 
professional women
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For those that know me, I rarely provide constructive input about NANOG matters due to my past affiliation, however, I 
just saw that NANOG announced the Women mixer on Sunday before NANOG 91 and am outraged for all of the young 
professional women who would like to participate in NANOG.  While the times are changing, women continue to remain 
primary caregivers for families and this will require them to desert their families a day early.  I find it offensive 
personally and feel like you may have missed the mark.

The amount of times I hear people complain about having to leave their families is one of the reasons this industry has 
a problem keeping young people - especially women.

Does anyone else feel the same?



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