Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

[Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc>]

William-

I am trying to follow your train of thought here. Are you stating that it
is somehow ARIN's responsibility to force a legal case to a
conclusion solely to settle the question of legacy allocation rights, a
problem which predates ARIN's existence? Or am I misunderstanding you?

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 3:22 PM William Herrin <bill () herrin us> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 12:00 PM John Curran <jcurran () arin net> wrote:
> > We’ve actually had the matter before many judges, and have never been
> ordered to do
> > anything other than operate the registry per the number resource policy
> as developed by
> > this community – this has been the consistent outcome throughout both
> civil and bankruptcy
> > proceedings.  Yes, we do settle cases, but only when that basic
> principle is upheld.  At no
> > time has the alternative (that for some reason legacy resource holders
> do not have meet
> > the policies developed by the ARIN community) been upheld in any orders
> granted – and
> > not for lack of trying.
>
> Well John, the thing about settled cases and orders the court
> -doesn't- make is that they create no precedent and ultimately fail to
> answer the legal question for the next case. All they show is that in
> cases where the registrant could prove he was the real registrant,
> ARIN offered terms more attractive to the registrant than pursuing
> litigation to its conclusion.
>
> Whatever line you'd have to cross for a registrant to go the distance
> with you in court, the status quo doesn't cross it.
>
> > instead consistently end up settling with orders that recognize ARIN’s
> > ability to operate  the registry according to the community-developed
> policy
>
> That's quite an overstatement. As far as I'm aware, with respect to
> the legacy registrations the only order any court ever made was that
> within the facts of that particular case, ARIN could refuse to
> -record- a transfer of registration absent a contract.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
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