Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211210951.AYC

[Joe Maimon <jmaimon () jmaimon com>]

Eric,

I appreciate your willingness to actual consider this rationally.

Every facet of this debate has been fully aired on this forum (and 
others), numerous times.

Allow me to pick it apart again. Apologies to those who are ad nausem.

Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> Option A) Spend engineering time and equipment purchases to implement 
> 240/4 as unicast globally. At present consumption rates and based on 
> the number of entities in ARIN, RIPE, APNIC regions that could 
> *immediately* take /18 to /16 sized blocks of it, please quantify 
> exactly how many years this amount of "new" IP space you predict to be 
> useful before once again reaching ipv4 exhaustion. End result: Problem 
> not solved. Thus my analogy of building a sand castle while the tide 
> is coming in.
>
> Option B) Spend engineering time and equipment purchases (yes, very 
> possibly much more time and more costly) to implement ipv6.

This is know a false dichotomy. There is no actual reason to believe 
that any effort on option A detracts from available effort of option B. 
And when you purchase your new gear, or update the software, with its 
many many lines of code changes, it is not unreasonable to expect that 
at least some might be IPv4 related and that the removal of restriction 
on 240/4 would be the more trivial of those.

Indeed that is exactly what has been happening since the initial 
proposals regarding 240/4. To the extent that it is now largely 
supported or available across a wide variety of gear, much of it not 
even modern in any way.

Further, presentment of options in this fashion presumes that we have 
some ability to control or decide how engineering efforts across the 
entirety of the internet should be spent.

Respectively, amusing and alarming.

To be clear, the only thing preventing the Internet in freely organizing 
its own efforts is the unwillingness of curmudgeons to remove the 
reserved status in this particular instance.

As no-one is requesting that you (or others of this persuasion) lend 
their personal efforts, your concern on the budgeting of efforts is out 
of place and worse, of dictatorial bend.

For the sake of argument, ignoring above, presuming our control over the 
internet engineering efforts et al.

Were I to propose to you that 240/4 be utilized only for new or existing 
organizations with less than /20 total resources or some other useful 
constraint, it would be easy to see that 240/4 would last a very long 
time and potentially have quite a significant impact.

Earlier in this thread I contrasted a reduction from 12 to 1 of ip 
address consumption per new customer, depending on the practices 
employed by the service provider. As you can see, consumption rate is 
actually quite flexible, even now, today.

So the answer to your question is it depends how freely it is handed 
out. Certainly not very long if it is business as usual prior to runout. 
Potentially much longer if not.

And in a nod to your concern over effort expenditure, but even more so, 
conscious of 240/4 being the 32bit space last big easy gasp, I would be 
a strong proponent that it NOT be.

However, even if it were, what exactly are we saving it for, if not for 
use by those who need it?

Or is it to be a hedge over some eventuality where IPv6 has failed to 
the point of abandonment? I might actually respect that position, even 
as I doubt (and fear and hope against) such an eventualities actual 
occurrence.

The more galling aspect of the 240/4 wars is that "it will take too long 
and then Ipv6 will be deployed" crowd that managed to stifle it 
initially continue to reuse that line again, in essence blase self 
perpetuation.

Its only taking that long because of this attitude.

Joe