Re: Let's Focus on Moving Forward Re: V6 still not supported re: 202203261833.AYC

[Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

> On Mar 31, 2022, at 15:32 , Joe Maimon <jmaimon () jmaimon com> wrote:
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> Matthew Petach wrote:
> > In short, at the moment, you *can't* deploy IPv6 without also having IPv4
> > somewhere in your network.  IPv6 hasn't solved the problem of IPv4
> > address shortage, because you can't functionally deploy IPv6 without
> > also having at least some IPv4 addresses to act as endpoints.
> >
> > For the people who already have IPv4 addresses to say "hey, that's
> > not a problem for us" to everyone who can't get IPv4 addresses is
> > exactly the problem warned against in section 6 of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7282:
> >
> > "
> > 6 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7282#section-6>. One hundred people for and five people against might 
> > not be rough
> > consensus
> >
> >    Section 3 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7282#section-3>  discussed the idea of consensus being 
> > achieved when
> >    objections had been addressed (that is, properly considered, and
> >    accommodated if necessary).  Because of this, using rough consensus
> >    avoids a major pitfall of a straight vote: If there is a minority of
> >    folks who have a valid technical objection, that objection must be
> >    dealt with before consensus can be declared. "
> > The point at which we have parity between IPv4 and IPv6 connectivity is the point
> > at which we can start to talk about sunsetting IPv4 and declaring it historic, and
> > no longer concern ourselves with address exhaustion.  Until then, so long as
> > being able to obtain IPv4 addresses is a mandatory step in being functional on
> > the internet, it is unreasonable to say that the address exhaustion problem is
> > "solved."
> >
> > Matt
>
> I dont know how many ways and times this needs to be said, but you said it quite well.
>
> Joe

Yep… He’s absolutely right… We need to find a way to get the networks that aren’t deploying IPv6 to
get off the dime and stop holding the rest of the world hostage in the IPv4 backwater.

Owen