Re: "Permanent" DST

[brian.johnson () netgeek us]

So to clarify/muddy the situation further... Time zones do not fall purely on the 15 degree lines on a globe. As such, 
the location of the sun overhead is locality specific within a timezone.

Don’t let the enemy of done win here. ;)


> On Mar 15, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Brian R <briansupport () hotmail com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for finding the clarification on this Ray.
>
> I'm with the OP Jay that this will cause long term problems.  The 15 degrees is not mentioned in the document just 
> the change from "Standard Time" to "Daylight Time" permanently (they probably don't even understand it is in 15 
> degree increments).  This will cause problems in systems across many sectors.  The entire world works on UTC + or - 
> on a 15 degree scale.  Except now the US which will be 15 degree scale -15 degrees.  I doubt Canada, Central, or 
> South Americas are going to follow this so the United States will always be 15 degrees off of what is considered 
> "Standard Time" by the world.
> The better solution would be to remove DST all together and tell everyone in the US to start work at 07:00 and get 
> off work at 16:00 every day.
>
> Brian
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+briansupport=hotmail.com () nanog org <mailto:nanog-bounces+briansupport=hotmail.com () 
> nanog org>> on behalf of Ray Van Dolson via NANOG <nanog () nanog org <mailto:nanog () nanog org>>
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> To: Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org <mailto:mel () beckman org>>; Jay R. Ashworth <jra () baylink com <mailto:jra () 
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> Subject: RE: "Permanent" DST
>  
> I think this is essentially the bill:
>
> https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/69/text 
> <https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/69/text>
>
> Not finding anything about 15 degrees.
>
> Ray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+rvandolson=esri.com () nanog org <mailto:nanog-bounces+rvandolson=esri.com () nanog org>> 
> On Behalf Of Mel Beckman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:19 PM
> To: Jay R. Ashworth <jra () baylink com <mailto:jra () baylink com>>
> Cc: nanog () nanog org <mailto:nanog () nanog org> list <nanog () nanog org <mailto:nanog () nanog org>>
> Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST
>
> I don’t follow why cancelling DST has the effect of moving the US fifteen degrees to the east. Also, your subject 
> line reads “permanent DST”, but from your language the bill will be permanent standard time. 
>
> I haven’t read the bill, but I’m hoping you can explain your position more clearly. 
>
> -mel via cell
>
> > On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:13 PM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra () baylink com <mailto:jra () baylink com>> wrote:
> >
> > In a unanimous vote today, the US Senate approved a bill which would
> >
> > 1) Cancel DST permanently, and
> > 2) Move every square inch of US territory 15 degrees to the east.
> >
> > My opinion of this ought to be obvious from my rhetoric.  Hopefully, 
> > it will fail, because it's likely to be the end of rational time 
> > worldwide, and even if you do log in UTC, it will still make your life difficult.
> >
> > I'm poleaxed; I can't even decide which grounds to scream about this on...
> >
> > Hopefully, the House or the White House will be more coherent in their 
> > decision on this engineering construct.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -- jra
> >
> > -- 
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