Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

*nods* I agree. 

Usually, it's too many spineless people that won't stand up to someone that couldn't make friends in high school. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

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From: "Dorn Hetzel" <dorn () hetzel org> 
To: sronan () ronan-online com 
Cc: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net>, "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> 
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 10:16:06 AM 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 


Yeah, the evils of HOAs go *way* beyond shitty internet.... 


On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 11:15 AM < sronan () ronan-online com > wrote: 



Sounds like you’ve never lived in an HOA. 



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On Feb 19, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Mike Hammett < nanog () ics-il net > wrote: 




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"A single customer who has no sway over an entire HOA" 


If you can't sway the whole HOA, then the problem must not be that bad. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 



From: "Cory Sell via NANOG" < nanog () nanog org > 
To: "Mike Lyon" < mike.lyon () gmail com > 
Cc: "NANOG" < nanog () nanog org > 
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 7:16:37 PM 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

See this is my point. People always dismiss these issues and say they could easily get service. Then, when someone 
comes in with an actual request for said service, the answer we get is about structured deals with HOA/property 
management. What about for a single customer? A single customer who has no sway over an entire HOA, a single customer 
who is told to go “pound sand” by the property manager. 


If you can’t give a single figure or even rough numbers for a single customer, I’d say avoid dismissing the problem. If 
you can provide that now, I’d be very curious to still see them. :) 

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 7:10 PM, Mike Lyon < mike.lyon () gmail com > wrote: 
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Depends on many factors… 


If the whole HOA wanted service, then a licensed link could possibly be put in delivering a high capacity circuit 
delivering about 100 Mbps to the subscriber. Price to the customer would vary depending on how the deal is structured 
with the HOA/property management company. 


Could also look into getting some fiber delivered and feed it from that. 


-Mike 


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On Feb 16, 2022, at 17:02, Cory Sell < corysell () protonmail com > wrote: 


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Out of pure curiosity, let’s assume they COULD put an antenna on the roof… 


What is the service? Bandwidth, latency expectation, cost? 


Note that in almost every condominium or apartment complex I have heard of, they do NOT allow roof builds. This is why 
satellite TV in those areas require people to put an antenna on their patio, even if it’s half-blocked. 


On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 6:51 PM, Mike Lyon < mike.lyon () gmail com > wrote: 
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If they allow antennas on the roof, we can service them :) 


Your house, on the other hand, we already lucked out on that one! 


-Mike Lyon 
Ridge Wireless 


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On Feb 16, 2022, at 16:48, Matthew Petach < mpetach () netflight com > wrote: 


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On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:16 PM Josh Luthman < josh () imaginenetworksllc com > wrote: 

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I'll once again please ask for specific examples as I continue to see the generic "it isn't in some parts of San Jose". 
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You want a specific example? 


Friend of mine asked me to help them get better Internet connectivity a few weeks ago. 


They live here: 
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Meridian+Woods+Condos/@37.3200394,-121.9792261,17.47z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x808fca909a8f5605:0x399cdd468d99300c!8m2!3d37.3190694!4d-121.9818295
 



Just off of I-280 in the heart of San Jose. 


I dug and dug, and called different companies. 
The only service they can get there is the 768K DSL service they already have with AT&T. 


Go ahead. Try it for yourself. 


See what service you can order to those condos. 


Heart of Silicon Valley. 


Worse connectivity than many rural areas. :( 


Matt 




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