Re: how networking happens in Hawaii

[William Herrin <bill () herrin us>]

On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 4:09 PM scott via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
> On 4/30/2022 12:19 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
> > > This reads a lot like dsl wars between ilecs and clecs in the late 90s and
> > > early 2ks.
> >
> > compounded by a 100+ year old military occupation
> The main question
> is 'was it a nation when the US gov't overthrew Hawaii or was it a group
> of individual kingdoms?'  Many get that wrong and that's what matters to
> international courts on the current issue of Hawaiian sovereignty.  For
> sure, it was a nation due to a forced treaty agreement with Kaumuali`i.
>   The rest of the individual island kingdoms were conquered with
> violence by Kamehameha who then created a lahui..a nation.  Therefore,
> it is a military occupation.

Strictly speaking, the U.S. government didn't overthrow Hawaii. U.S.
expats acting on their own (with some funny business that looked like
bribery of U.S. military in the area) overthrew Kamehameha's
descendant. The U.S. President at the time denounced it (especially
the part about suborning the military) but half a decade later the
U.S. government agreed to admit the already-conquered territory rather
than leave it to be picked off by someone else.

Countries whose law derives from English Common law have a concept of
adverse possession. Details vary but mainly if you can hold the land
for 20 years against the owner's wishes then it's your land.
Conceptually it applies to nations just as surely as individuals. This
is wise - it allows folks now alive to avoid an endless descent into
the murderous history of land changing hands.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

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William Herrin
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