Re: Network visibility

[Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 11:31 , Miles Fidelman <mfidelman () meetinghouse net> wrote:
>
> Jay Hennigan wrote:
> > On 10/20/21 10:30, Mel Beckman wrote:
> > > Owen,
> > >
> > > LOL! Yeah, and in 1838 Samuel Morse’s telegraph system used electric impulses to transmit encoded messages over a 
> > > wire to Speedwell Iron Works in Morristown, New Jersey. Was/ that /the Internet?

No, but you are ignoring the point of my message…

The TCP/IP internet existed _BEFORE_ the flag day you mentioned. The flag day was the end of NCP, not the beginning of 
TCP/IP. IIRC, at the time,
it was IP version 2, but IP versions 2, 3, and 4 came in relatively rapid succession of each other and 4 was the first 
version with (relatively) clean
layer separation between 2, 3, and 4.

According to https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2016/09/final-report-on-tcpip-migration-in-1983/ , TCP/IP was 
developed starting in 1975 and
declared the official future standard of the ARPANET in March, 1982, with a transition plan supporting both protocols 
(NCP and TCP/IP)
until January 1, 1983.

January 1, 1983 is more analogous to the future happy day we finally turn off IPv4 at the majority of peering points 
and PNIs than it is to the
past days when IPv6 began being deployed.

True, the initial deployment of TCP/IP and the flag day were much closer together for the implementation of IPv4 and 
deprecation of NCP
than has been the case for IPv6 deployment and IPv4 deprecation, but nonetheless, it is still true that there were at 
least several months
of TCP/IP deployment, testing, and use at multiple sites and on multiple systems prior to the deprecation of NCP on 
January 1, 1983.

> > Nope. And it wasn't even the first digital encoding of text. Braille preceded it, and arguably semaphore.
> There's a wonderful book, "The Victorian Internet" - that talks about telegraphy, including optical telegraphy - and 
> how the various telegraph networks were internetworked.
>
> When it came to message traffic, it really was a lot like the modern Internet.
>
> Miles Fidelman
>
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