Re: Network visibility

[Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 08:26 , Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> As long as we’re being pedantic, January 1, 1983 is considered the official birthday of the Internet, when TCP/IP 
> first let different kinds of computers on different networks talk to each other. 

January 1, 1983 is actually not that… TCP/IP was running in many locations prior to that date.

January 1, 1983 was the day that support for the NCP based internet prior to TCP/IP implementation ended.

Further, NCP had actually allowed different kinds of computers on different networks to talk to each other, as had UUCP.

> It’s 2021, hence the Internet is less than, not more than, 40 years old.  Given your mathematical skills, I put no 
> stock in your claim that we still can’t “buy an NMS that just works.” :)

No, not really. The Internet is older than the death of NCP, which is the day you are referring to as the birthday of 
the internet.

Owen

>  -mel
>
> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 8:04 AM, Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa <mailto:mark@tinka.africa>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/20/21 11:55, Nat Fogarty wrote:
> >
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > > I'm interested in what you good folks do in terms of network visibility.
> > >
> > > My interests are around Service Provider space - visibility for IPoE, PPPoE, TCP(User Experience).
> > >
> > > I use a product called "VoIPmonitor" for all things VoIP - and it is one of my favourite tools.  It is a web gui 
> > > for sip/rtp/etc.
> > >
> > > Is there a similar tool in the Ethernet(L2)/IP(L3) space?
> > >
> > > Are operators using tcpdump/wireshark for this - or is there a voipmonitor-esque tool out there?
> >
> > It's 2021, and more than 40 years of the Internet, we still can't walk into a shop and buy an NMS that just works 
> > :-).
> >
> > Oddly, I was searching for a good system to manage subscriber management on our end (Broadband), and we eventually 
> > landed on Splynx.
> >
> > So not sure if you want to see things on the wire (Layer 1 - 4), or if you are interested in pretty pictures...
> >
> > At any rate, you may very well need more than one system to monitor your entire network.
> >
> > Mark.