Re: IS-IS and IPv6 LLA next-hop - just Arista, or everyone?

[Adam Thompson <athompson () merlin mb ca>]

I don't believe APIPA and Link-Local are precisely equivalent, but I agree it's the closest thing IPv4 has.  IS-IS/IPv4 
would presumably use APIPA addresses if nothing else were assigned to the interface, based on my reading of the RFC.  
I'm unsure what the RFC authors think should happen in a HELLO packet when the interface has multiple IPv4 addresses, 
but none of that is my problem here.

I don't like LLAs because they are - intrinsically - meaningless.  In the context of my L3 core, I know that for any 
subnet, .1/::1 is such-and-such a router, .2/::2 is that one, .3/::3, is the other one, etc., etc.  (Yes, I have a very 
small & topologically simple L3 core.  Let's not talk about L2!)  When I look at my IPv4 routing table, I know which 
next-hop is which just by looking at it, and I can spot anomalies very easily.

When I look at my IPv6 routing table, the next-hops are all... well... gibberish, at least to me.  My experience is 
that LLAs are not durable, so memorizing them is not IMHO a useful task.  Figuring out an (IS-IS) IPv6 route currently 
involves a couple of extra steps to locate the LLA's interface route, find the MAC address of that LLA on that link, 
and then identify the router from its MAC address.

Am I missing something obvious?

Thanks!
-Adam

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From: Saku Ytti <saku () ytti fi>
Sent: May 4, 2021 10:20
To: Adam Thompson <athompson () merlin mb ca>
Cc: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa>; nanog <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: IS-IS and IPv6 LLA next-hop - just Arista, or everyone?

On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 18:15, Adam Thompson <athompson () merlin mb ca> wrote:

Hey Adam,

> I don't see any rationale in RFC 5308 for why the HELLO packet may only contain the LLA - does anyone know/remember 
> why?  (I'm hoping that understanding the rationale will make this an easier pill to swallow.)  Obviously this 
> behaviour/requirement is net-new to the IPv6 TLVs, as there's no LLA-cognate in IPv4 (APIPA doesn't count).  There is 
> in OSI, I think, but I'm still too sane to read those docs.

IPv4 link local is 169.254/16, you may have seen them in Windows.

> It makes sense that you would not want LLAs in LSPs, only GUAs, but does that imply that you must use either ULAs or 
> GUAs in order to establish IPv6 routes in IS-IS, in an IPv6 environment?  That makes about as much sense to me as 
> forcing LLAs for next-hops.

The list may benefit from the context you have, it is not obvious to
me why you'd want anything but LLA.

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