Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

What can you do with 100 megs that you can't do with 25 megs and why should anyone care? 




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From: "Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.norddahl () gmail com> 
To: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> 
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 4:25:35 AM 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 


In 2021 I would claim that 100 Mbps is where "good" internet starts. Yes, 25 Mbps will work but it is not good 
internet. Not to mention 2 Mbps ADSL which is almost the same as no internet. 


Now there are needs for an individual and there are needs for a community. The rural communities have a genuine need 
for good internet. Anything less will continue to accelerate the move of people to the cities. In the end, each 
individual decides for himself what his needs are and sufficient people want good internet, so that they will have that 
as part of their considerations when deciding to move. 


With poor internet the community will accumulate people that dont care about the internet, which often means elderly 
people. More elderly people means younger people do not feel at home, so they will move away or not move there, which 
further accelerates the effect. 


Regards, 


Baldur 




On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 11:19 PM Andy Ringsmuth < andy () andyring com > wrote: 


Well, honestly, if you really want to go down the “need vs. want” road, 100 percent of the folks on this list would be 
out of a job. 

What are genuine needs? Food/water, clothing and shelter. That’s it. Even the last two are somewhat negotiable if you 
get right down to it. 

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> On May 29, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Mike Hammett < nanog () ics-il net > wrote: 
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> Need vs. want. 
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> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
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> Midwest-IX 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com 
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> From: "Baldur Norddahl" < baldur.norddahl () gmail com > 
> To: "NANOG" < nanog () nanog org > 
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 3:49:01 AM 
> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 
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> I am in Europe / Denmark. The EU has defined broadband to be 100 Mbps download with nothing specified for upload. The 
> goal is for everyone to have access to broadband by 2025. 
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> Such definitions do help those in rural areas. In fact this is precisely useful for those that do not currently have 
> access. It helps to make goals and to measure how we are progressing. 
>
> All current technologies can deliver broadband, including DSL, coax, 5G and fixed wireless. But maybe not without 
> investment. That DSL plant might need upgrading to the latest VDSL and cabinets closer to the customer. The coax 
> might need upgrades etc. But that is the point. Providers will need to invest to be able to claim broadband. 
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> On the other hand a soft easy broadband definition is useless in my opinion. Then everyone has broadband, hurray, but 
> many have slow internet and nothing is going to be done because it is broadband! 
>
> Regards 
>
> Baldur