Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>]

I'd like to see your data that backs up the statement that the broadband
internet definition (of 25x3) lags behind actual user needs by a decade.
Here are the TOP 4 residential users last month:

                                       up           down           total
Fixed Wireless 25x4      93.628     3105.440    3199.068
Fixed wireless 25x4       290.000  2763.089     3053.089
Fiber 500                       63.563    2063.782     2127.345
Fiber gig                         24.752   1562.230     1586.982

Two wireless customers did MORE than two fiber customers.  The wireless are
on 25 meg and the fiber are on 500/1000 mbps plans.

The top wireless subscriber is DOUBLE the download usage of the gig fiber
house.  The highest upload user was wireless, which happens to be FIVE
TIMES the highest usage of the fiber customer.

Here is an image comparing the top wireless and top fiber customer usage:
https://postimg.cc/bZwc6PBx

Please let me know what your data looks like, I would love to compare.

Josh Luthman
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On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jim Troutman <jamesltroutman () gmail com>
wrote:

> FCC Definition of “broadband Internet” always lags behind the reality of
> actual user needs, by about a decade.
>
>
> Various sources show that Internet bandwidth consumption increases at
> about 29% CAGR.
>
>
> If you extrapolate from the previous increases and intervals of the FCC's
> changes, the definition of broadband should be a minimum of 100Mbit/100Mbit
> in 2021.
>
>
> When I hear incumbent providers insisting that 25/3 is still good enough,
> my answer is: "sure, I can agree with that, if you can do that PER DEVICE
> in the home."
>
>
> They don't like that argument.
>
>
> The only reason 25/3 is still the FCC definition is because of lobbying by
> those that are still limited by twisted pair copper infrastructure.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 8:40 PM Eric Dugas via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm not in the US but in Canada it's been 50/10 since 2016 and we're just
> > "almost" there yet. IMO the target should have been more like 100/30 or
> > even 50 of upload.
> >
> > 100/100 might be a bit short sighted considering it'll take years to
> > accomplish the necessary last-mile/distribution upgrades in rural areas.
> >
> > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 8:31 PM Sean Donelan <sean () donelan com> wrote:
> >
> > > What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.?
> > >
> > >
> > > This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year
> > >
> > > year  speed
> > >
> > > 1999  200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than
> > > dialup/ISDN speeds)
> > >
> > > 2000  200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many
> > > service
> > > providers had 128 kbps upload)
> > >
> > > 2010   4 mbps down / 1 mbps up
> > >
> > > 2015   25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired)
> > >          5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless)
> > >
> > > 2021   ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps)
> > >
> > > Not only in major cities, but also rural areas
> > >
> > > Note, the official broadband definition only means service providers
> > > can't
> > > advertise it as "broadband" or qualify for subsidies; not that they must
> > > deliver better service.
>
> --
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