Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...?

[Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc>]

I find it interesting that every time a company harvests email
addresses from the list and starts sales calls, the pitchforks come
out right quick (even though it's a public mailing list, what do we
expect will happen?). But if an individual is running their business
off the list, that's acceptable and nothing should be done.

A large portion of these emails lately have contained some variation
of 'contact me off list'. How does that provide any benefit to the
community? Is anyone else in the community getting any information
about what providers may be on a pathway that would help them? They
are not.

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 6:28 PM Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:37 AM Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> wrote:
> > CC back to the mailing list for visibility, since I ate the CC list.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 1:31 PM Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> wrote:
> > > Rod-
> > >
> > > Please refer to the usage guidelines found here. https://nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/
> > >
> > > > 14. Posts that encourage or facilitate an agreement about the following subjects are inappropriate: prices, 
> > > > discounts, or terms or conditions of sale; salaries; benefits, profits, profit margins, or cost data; market 
> > > > shares, sales territories, or markets; allocation of customers or territories; or selection, rejection, or 
> > > > termination of customers or suppliers.
> > >
> > >
> > >  I would tend to agree that while most of your posts to the list are within the guidelines, there have been 
> > > occasions where a reasonable person could think you might be skirting the line a bit. In this case :
> > >
> > > - Your company works as a broker to procure capacity for others.
> > > - You sent an email to the list that wording wise would be exactly the same as many of us might send to someone 
> > > they were looking for capacity from.
> > >
> > > I think most would agree this is pretty clearly against both the usage guidelines and the spirit of what this 
> > > mailing list is about.
> > >
> > > I would also like to remind you that this list is administered by the NANOG organization. You have no authority to 
> > > tell others to 'cease and desist', and insult someone as 'underemployed' is also not well tolerated here.
> > >
> > > I have looped in the list admins here. It would probably be a good idea to refrain from future messages that are 
> > > clearly commercial in nature, or that contain unnecessary insults.
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> If only we had some way to segregate out different topics
> of interest or disinterest, so that people who weren't interested
> in questions about bandwidth availability could unsubscribe
> from those topics, and only subscribe to the topics that *did*
> interest them...
>
> #AFewDaysTooEarly
>
> ^_^;;
>
> Matt