Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

Josh,

A city can build a competitive service that is revenue neutral or even a source of income for the city without causing
the earth to shift on its axis. Often, in fact, government is in a position to make large up-front capital investments 
in
infrastructure that don’t have a fast enough pay-out to attract profit-oriented investors. Quite often, such cities
are not subsidizing the network as you assume here. Most of these tend to be revenue neutral and pay back the
capital investment over a ~15-20 year period. Some even end up contributing to the city over time.

Frankly, I wish City of San Jose would do a Fiber to Everyone Layer-1 only competitive access fiber infrastructure
project here.

Owen


> On May 31, 2021, at 10:57 , Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com> wrote:
>
> I think it's hilarious when a governmental entity funded by the taxpayers thinks they have an answer to broadband.  
> If you're collecting funds from customers, why do you need the City of Sherwood to support your network?
>
> Josh Luthman
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> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 6:22 PM Brandon Price <PriceB () sherwoodoregon gov <mailto:PriceB () sherwoodoregon gov>> 
> wrote:
> 100/100 minimum for sure.
>
> In our small neck of the woods, we are currently doing 250/250 for $45 and 1000/1000 for $60 no data caps.
>
> We have lost some grants on rural builds because "someone" in the census block claims they provide broadband.. Not 
> hard to put an AP up on a tower and hit the current definition's upload speed.
>
> I get a chuckle when the providers tell the customer what they "need"...  
>
>
> Brandon Price
> Senior Network Engineer
> City of Sherwood, Sherwood Broadband
>
>
>
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> On Thu, 27 May 2021, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote:
> > At least 100/100.
> >
> > We don’t like selling slower than 10g anymore, that’s what I’d start everyone at if I could.
>
>
> At $50/month or less?
>
> Maximize number of households of all demographic groups.