Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: Half Fibre Pair

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

I believe strand counts were small because the power needed for that many amplifiers was too much to bear for budgets. 

I suspect it's a combination of more power efficient amplifiers and a greater willingness to bear the extra costs to 
get the capacity that hyperscalers need. 


Have many of those higher strand count cables been proposed that have any distance to them that don't have a variety of 
hyperscalers in the anchor tenants? It's a lot cheaper to power a 300 km cable than a 3,000 km cable. 


Also, I don't just mean in the MRC, but in the NRC of the plant needed to supply and transmit that much power. 




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----- Original Message -----

From: "Rod Beck" <rod.beck () unitedcablecompany com> 
To: "Barbara Fox" <bfox () ciena com>, "Mark Tinka" <mark.tinka () seacom com>, nanog () nanog org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 10:11:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: Half Fibre Pair 


What is interesting is this new deep sea design. In the old days cables had 4 to 8 pairs max. Now I am seeing Orange 
talking about 18 pairs and 24 pairs. With more widely regeneration. 



https://www.orange.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2021/orange-takes-leading-role-us-europe-route-two-new-generation-submarine
 



        
        
Orange takes a leading role in the US to Europe route with two new generation submarine cables linking the East Coast 
to France | Orange Com 
After the landing of the Dunant cable, a Google project announced back in March 2020, Orange announces it is now ready 
for service for its wholesale and business customers. With 12 fibre pairs with over 30 Tbps of capacity each, 
multiplying by three the previous generation of transatlantic submarine cables capacity. Orange also announces the 
signature of a partnership on the AMITIÉ cable ... 
www.orange.com 



Regards, 



Rdoerick. 








From: Fox, Barbara <bfox () ciena com> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 3:52 PM 
To: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom com>; Rod Beck <rod.beck () unitedcablecompany com>; nanog () nanog org <nanog () 
nanog org> 
Subject: RE: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: Half Fibre Pair 



I asked a submarine guy how much the fibers can carry because this sounded low to me. His response: 

it depends on the type of cable. Older cables (with embedded dispersion compensation) have a lot less capacity and I 
have seen some as low as 1Tb/s per fiber pair and some as high as 10Tb/s per fiber pair. All newer D+ Cables that have 
been deployed in the last 5 years and will be the only cables deployed going forward can easily carry 20Tb/s of 
capacity per fiber pair. Something Like Havfrue can support 22T per fiber pair and there are 8 fiber pairs for a total 
of 176T. 

Barbara 



From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+bfox=ciena.com () nanog org> On Behalf Of Mark Tinka 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 7:13 AM 
To: Rod Beck <rod.beck () unitedcablecompany com>; nanog () nanog org 
Subject: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: Half Fibre Pair 



On 1/27/21 13:39, Rod Beck wrote: 



How much spectrum is a half fibre? It must be standardized in some fashion. 



It would be based on the amount of capacity each fibre in the overall system can carry across a given line system span. 

So say a cable system is able to carry 960Gbps per fibre pair, and it has 5 fibre pairs, that means a half fibre pair 
purchased by one of the consortium members would be 480Gbps. 

It is also possible for a consortium member to own a full + a fractional fibre pair, e.g., two and a-half fibre pairs. 
In such a contract, for example, say a 24 fibre-pair system could carry 1.2Tbps per fibre pair, that member would have 
3Tbps of capacity. 

Mark.