Re: DoD IP Space

[Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc>]

My opinion is that such recommendations are short sighted, and simply
creating tech debt and future support issues for themselves, and in some
cases, intermediaries. That example you linked though is pretty specific to
one "smart" TV OS ; it's possible that there is a V6 specific issue with
that TV OS, and it's just worded that way because it's simpler.

Randy nailed it a couple messages ago though.  V6 Adoption always is, and
always will be, metered by time, money and resources. Everybody kicks the
can on things like this until they can't anymore. And that's honestly not
even major criticism; everybody has a list of 1000 things to do, and enough
time/money/resources to reasonably do 250 of them. Triage happens, we all
do it.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 9:30 AM Travis Garrison <tgarrison () netviscom com>
wrote:

> What's all your opinion when company's such as Disney actively recommend
> disabling IPv6? They are presenting it as IPv6 is blocking their app. We
> all know that isn’t possible. Several people have issues with their app and
> Amazon firesticks. I use my phone and a chromecast and I see the issues
> when IPv6 is enabled. We are in the testing phase on rolling out IPv6 on
> our network. All the scripts are ready, just trying to work through the few
> issues like this one.
>
>
> https://help.disneyplus.com/csp?id=csp_article_content&sys_kb_id=c91af021dbe46850b03cc58a139619ed
>
> Thank you
> Travis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tgarrison=netviscom.com () nanog org> On Behalf
> Of Mark Andrews
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 7:45 PM
> To: Sabri Berisha <sabri () cluecentral net>
> Cc: nanog <nanog () nanog org>
> Subject: Re: DoD IP Space
>
> IPv6 doesn’t need a hard date.  It is coming, slowly, but it is coming.
> Every data set says the same thing.  It may not be coming as fast as a lot
> of us would want or actually think is reasonable as ISP’s are currently
> being forced to deploy CGNs (NAT44 and NAT64) because there are laggards
> that are not doing their part.
>
> If you offer a service over the Internet then it should be available over
> IPv6 otherwise you are costing your customers more to reach you.  CGNs are
> not free.
>
> Mark
>
> > On 22 Jan 2021, at 06:07, Sabri Berisha <sabri () cluecentral net> wrote:
> >
> > ----- On Jan 21, 2021, at 6:40 AM, Andy Ringsmuth andy () andyring com
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > > I’m sure we all remember Y2k
> >
> > Ah, yes. As a young IT consultant wearing a suit and tie (rofl), I
> > upgraded many bioses in many office buildings in the months leading up
> to it...
> > > I’d love to see a line in the concrete of, say, January 1, 2025,
> > > whereby IPv6 will be the default.
> >
> > The challenge with that is the market. Y2K was a problem that was
> > existed. It was a brick wall that we would hit no matter what. The
> > faulty code was released years before the date.
> >
> > We, IETF, or even the UN could come up with 1/1/25 as the date where
> > we switch off IPv4, and you will still find networks that run IPv4 for
> > the simple reason that the people who own those networks have a choice.
> With Y2K there was no choice.
> > The best way to have IPv6 implemented worldwide is by having an
> > incentive for the executives that make the decisions. From experience,
> > as I've said on this list a few times before, I can tell you that
> > decision makers with a limited budget that have to choose between a
> > new revenue generating feature, or a company-wide implementation of
> > IPv6, will choose the one that's best for their own short-term interests.
> >
> > On that note, I did have a perhaps silly idea: One way to create the
> > demand could be to have browser makers add a warning to the URL bar,
> > similar to the HTTPS warnings we see today. If a site is IPv4 only,
> > warn that the site is using deprecated technology.
> >
> > Financial incentives also work. Perhaps we can convince Mr. Biden to
> > give a .5% tax cut to corporations that fully implement v6. That will
> > create some bonus targets.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sabri
>
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