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Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts
From: Brett Frankenberger <rbf+nanog () panix com>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:46:49 -0600
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 08:02:38AM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 2/16/21 07:49, Matthew Petach wrote:Isn't that a result of ERCOT stubbornly refusing to interconnect with the rest of the national grid, out of an irrational fear of coming under federal regulation? I suspect that trying to be self-sufficient works most of the time--but when you get to the edges of the bell curve locally, your ability to be resilient and survive depends heavily upon your ability to be supported by others around you. This certainly holds true for individual humans; I suspect power grids aren't that different.If there was a state-wide blackout, they'd need to restart from the national grid anyway.
The Texas Grid has black-start capability. In the event of a state-wide blackout, they would not restart from the Eastern or Western US Grid.
Why not have some standing interconnection agreement with them anyway, that gets activated in cases such as these?
They have 820MW of interconnection with the Eastern Interconnect (the Eastern US grid). During most of this, it's been moving nearly 820MW into Texas. (Three were power shortages and rolling blackouts in portions of the Eastern Interconnect also, although for much shorter windows of time. During those times, less power was flowing into Texas, presumably because the Eastern Interconnect didn't have it available (in the right places).) Connections are more expensive that just a transmission line, because you have to go AC-DC-AC (or have a rotary frequency converter).
Sorry, unfamiliar with U.S. politics in this regard, so just doing 1+1.
Three grids, Western, Eastern, and Texas. A GW or so of DC ties between the Eastern and Western; nothing between the Western and Texas (directly), and, as noted above, 880MW between the Eastern and Texas. (Very roughly, that's 2% of peak demand for the Texas grid.) Eastern and Western exist largely for technical reasons (too big to keep synchronized, at least without building a lot more ties between them). Texas is independent largely for political reasons. -- Brett
Current thread:
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts, (continued)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Michael Thomas (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Mark Tinka (Feb 17)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Yang Yu (Feb 15)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Matthew Petach (Feb 15)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Mark Tinka (Feb 15)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts John Sage (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts John Sage (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts JASON BOTHE via NANOG (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Mark Tinka (Feb 17)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Mark Tinka (Feb 17)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Brett Frankenberger (Feb 16)
- RE: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Mikael Abrahamsson via NANOG (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Rod Beck (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Sean Donelan (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Sabri Berisha (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Mike Hammett (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Robert DeVita (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Mike Hammett (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Matt Erculiani (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Jared Mauch (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Rod Beck (Feb 16)