Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

[Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

> On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:24 PM, Sylvain Baya <abscoco () gmail com> wrote:
>
> Dear NANOGers,
>
> Le dim. 5 déc. 2021 04:00, Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog () nanog org <mailto:nanog () nanog org>> a écrit :
> I would be more than happy to consilolidate my ipv6 addresses under my lrsa, but ARIN will not allow it. 
>
>
> Hi Owen,
> ...so you want to convert community-based
>  INRs into legacy INRs?

Nope… I see no difference between community and legacy INRs… They’re all community INRs, the only difference is when 
they were registered and with which registry they were originally registered.

> Please, brother, explain your peculiar need.

The difference between the lRSA and the RSA is strictly some base protections on how fast the fees can increase, 
protections which ARIN has already, in fact, found clever ways to violate.


It’s not all that peculiar… I’m just more vocal about it than others with both types of resources, in part, because 
those with vast holdings are more likely to participate in ARIN processes and those with little are less likely to even 
be fully aware of that ability. Those with vast holdings are receiving a subsidy in this latest fee structure change by 
the ARIN board, but that subsidy is being provided on the backs of those with less.

Owen

> Thanks.
>
> Shalom,
> --sb.
>
>
>
> Owen
>
>
> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 17:43, John Curran <jcurran () arin net <mailto:jcurran () arin net>> wrote:
> >
> >  Yes Owen, that is correct…
> >
> > If an organization insists on maintaining multiple contractual relationships with ARIN (for whatever reason) then 
> > they will be billed for each relation separately - and that is indeed likely to be more than having a single 
> > consolidated agreement for all number resources.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > /John
> >
> > John Curran
> > President and CEO
> > American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >
> > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:09 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com <mailto:owen () delong com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:59 AM, John Curran <jcurran () arin net <mailto:jcurran () arin net>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just for clarity - ARIN’s fee schedule is such that ISP customers (i.e. those with registration service plans) pay 
> > > > an annual services fee based on their higher category of IPv4 or IPv6 resources – i.e. those with IPv4 resources 
> > > > can obtain a corresponding size of IPv6 resources without any change in size category or increase in their annual 
> > > > fee. 
> > > >
> > > > [Also worth noting - as of January 2022, all end-user customers are moving to the same registration services plan, 
> > > > and similarly those with just IPv4 number resources be able to obtain corresponding IPv6 resources without change 
> > > > to their annual fee.]
> > >
> > > This, whether they want to or not… In many cases resulting in significant unwanted fee increases, especially if you 
> > > have a mix of resources covered under RSA and LRSA due to ARIN’s accounting limitations that they are perversely 
> > > disincentivized against fixing because it allows them to essentially double-bill.
> > >
> > > Owen
> > > >