Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits]

["Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>]

> Of course! Including headers to show authenticity. I was very amused by the 
> explanation of the "chicken and egg" problem. Who's creating that? The networks
> who refuse to peer with non-peeringdb registered ASNs, or peeringdb who won't 
> recognize ASNs that are not peering with anyone because nobody wants to peer 
> with them because they are not registered in peeringdb because nobody wants to
> peer with them? You get the idea.

First, most networks do not require a PDB record to peer. (Silly of them, I know, but still true.)

Second, you do not need to have a PDB record to get a link to an IXP. Even membership in a free IXP is sufficient for 
an account in PDB, as Grizz points out below.

Third, if you have an agreement, even just an email, saying a network will peer with you once you have a record, that 
may well suffice. Have you asked any network to peer? Private peering (because you are not on an IXP) is usually 
reserved for networks with more than a modicum of traffic. If your network is large enough to qualify for private 
peering, I have trouble believing you cannot get another network to agree to peer so you can get a record.

I guess you are right, the _Peering_DB does not register “certain” networks. Those networks would be ones that do not 
peer. Which seems pretty obvious to me - it is literally in the name.

-- 
TTFN,
patrick

> On Aug 18, 2021, at 5:50 PM, Sabri Berisha <sabri () cluecentral net> wrote:
>
> ----- On Aug 18, 2021, at 2:21 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore patrick () ianai net <mailto:patrick () ianai net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > On Aug 18, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Matthew Walster <matthew () walster org> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, 21:37 Sabri Berisha, <sabri () cluecentral net> wrote:
> > > ----- On Aug 18, 2021, at 2:46 AM, Steve Lalonde steve () enta net wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > > > We always use PeeringDB data and refuse to peer with networks not in PeeingDB
> > > >
> > > > You are aware that PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks, right? It is
> > > > most certainly not a single source of truth.
> > > Would you care to expand on this?
> >
> > I am extremely interested in hearing about this as well.
> >
> > Specific examples would be useful.
>
> Of course! Including headers to show authenticity. I was very amused by the 
> explanation of the "chicken and egg" problem. Who's creating that? The networks
> who refuse to peer with non-peeringdb registered ASNs, or peeringdb who won't 
> recognize ASNs that are not peering with anyone because nobody wants to peer 
> with them because they are not registered in peeringdb because nobody wants to
> peer with them? You get the idea.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sabri
> AS31064
>
>
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> To: Sabri Berisha <sabri () cluecentral net <mailto:sabri () cluecentral net>>
> From: support () peeringdb com <mailto:support () peeringdb com>
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> Subject: Re: [#9192] [PeeringDB] User (sabri) Requesting Access (New Company - Cluecentral Inc)
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> Dear PeeringDB user,
>
> Registering with peeringDB and peering negotiations are sort of egg and
> chicken problem. We only want to have networks registered that already
> do have settlement free peering.
>
> After some basic checks it looks like you are only buying transit from 6939/Hurricane Electric, but are not connected 
> to any Internet Exchange (e.g. AMS-IX/NL-ix) yet.
>
> Having said this, is it acceptable to you to wait until you have your
> 1st settlement free peering setup? If you already have existing peering
> sessions, please provide the following details to support your request for
> peeringdb access:
>
> Your AS number(s)
> Which IXP / facilities you are peering at
> Some of your peering partners (again AS numbers / name)
>
> Please send your answers to support () peeringdb com <mailto:support () peeringdb com> or reply to this ticket.
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