RE: DoD IP Space

[Jean St-Laurent via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

I’d be interested in an objective recap of this thread.

 

It seems like we could do a Netflix series for networkers about it. 😉

 

Anyone would like to give it a try to summarize the story back from the 80’s  till today and explain what is at stake 
here? 

 

Thanks
Jean

 

From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+jean=ddostest.me () nanog org> On Behalf Of Tom Beecher
Sent: April 26, 2021 9:32 AM
To: Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org>
Cc: nanog () nanog org
Subject: Re: DoD IP Space

 

As long as that IP space was isolated to the .mil network, it was private space, as far as the Internet was concerned.

 

The DoD allocation of 11/8 predates the concept of 'private network space'.

 

11/8 was first assigned to the DoD in RFC 943 in April of 1985. The concept of IPv4 space for private networks was 
first defined in RFC 1597, March 1994. (Which eventually would become RFC1918. )

 

The fact that certain parties decided on their own that space not present in the global routing table was 'fair game' 
or 'private' doesn't make them correct, it simply makes them ill informed. 

 

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 7:18 PM Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org <mailto:mel () beckman org> > wrote:

Bill,

It’s the INTERNET that is civilian, not the IP space. As long as that IP space was isolated to the .mil network, it was 
private space, as far as the Internet was concerned. Now DoD has moved it into the civilian Internet, and I treat them 
as potentially malicious as I do any other organization that lies, cheats, and steals the public trust.

 -mel

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 3:45 PM, William Herrin <bill () herrin us <mailto:bill () herrin us> > wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:26 AM Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org <mailto:mel () beckman org> > wrote:
> > This doesn’t sound good, no matter how you slice it. The lack of
> > transparency with a civilian resource is troubling at a minimum.
>
> You do understand that the addresses in question are not and have
> never been "civilian." They came into DoD's possession when this was
> all still a military project funded by what's now DARPA.
>
> Personally, I think we may have an all time record for the largest
> honeypot ever constructed. I'd love to be a fly on that wall.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
>
> -- 
> William Herrin
> bill () herrin us <mailto:bill () herrin us> 
> https://bill.herrin.us/