Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

[Elad Cohen <elad () netstyle io>]

"damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom" - You are really good.


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From: Terrence Koeman
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:55 PM
To: Elad Cohen; Owen DeLong
Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election


"A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be 
spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent."


The questions are: damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom (& who is going to make them)? If it were a 
simple case of weighing the aggregate costs of attacks against the aggregate costs of implementation of mitigation, 
then we would have seen universal implementation of BCP38[1] two decades ago.


Unfortunately, we don't live in a child's mind where things are simple. In reality the parties incurring the costs of 
attacks are not the same as those that aren't implementing the solutions to prevent them from occurring.


If your neighbor has a credit card debt of $20k on which he's paying 18% interest, and you have savings of $20k on 
which you are receiving 2% interest, then with your logic you should immediately pay off your neighbors' debt, because 
that'd be cheaper for you both, collectively.


But of obviously you wouldn't do this, because you're NOT a collective (your neighbors' wallet/bank account and yours 
are not the same) and thus you both need to be considered separately. You don't need a degree in economics to realise 
this, just a shred of common sense suffices.


If every network configured their own equipment as well as they wish others would, there wouldn't be a problem in the 
first place. Fact is, they won't. And getting someone that has already spent time and/or money on configuring their own 
equipment correctly to pay for the privilege of not getting attacked by the equipment of someone else that is either 
too lazy or cheap to do so is going to be a tall order.


[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp38

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From: Elad Cohen <elad () netstyle io>
Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:12
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election


Me:
"A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be 
spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent."

Toma:
> A degree in economics is not needed [..]
"Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it."

You:
"simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds"


You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile.
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From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM
To: Elad Cohen <elad () netstyle io>
Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera () gmail com>; Shane Ronan <shane () ronan-online com>; North American Network 
Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your hair-brained schemes.

Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience and deep knowledge tell you that you are 
simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of bigotry 
and hatred.

Just a thought.

Owen

On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen <elad () netstyle io> wrote:


You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate.
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From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera () gmail com>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM
To: Elad Cohen <elad () netstyle io>
Cc: Shane Ronan <shane () ronan-online com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

Peace,

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen <elad () netstyle io> wrote:
> A degree in economics is not needed [..]

Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it.

I think, dixi.

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Töma