Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

[Ross Tajvar <ross () tajvar io>]

What is an "ebony phone"? (Google results for that phrase are mostly porn.)

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>
wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:10 AM Bryan Holloway <bryan () shout net> wrote:
> > On 3/7/20 8:03 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell <
> brian () interlinx bc ca> wrote:
> > > > So, if my telco can bill the callers for those premium calls, they
> > > > surely know who they are, or at least know where they are sending the
> > > > bill and getting payment from.
> > >
> > > You are mistaken, billing is very hard.
> > > Telcos show this regularly.
> >
> > On the contrary: billing is easy. Getting it right is hard.
>
> You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
>
> Seriously though, a bunch of the conversation about shaken/stir and
> various problems with spam callers reveals:
>   "telcos don't care (for any reason you can imagine)"
>   "gov't mandates aren't  really going to help"
>   "people care as recipients of these calls, but really there are
> options for them as well to not get the calls (or not answer them)"
>
> I like that Mr Thomas's answer: "Why can't we just cryptpgraphically
> sign the caller's ANI and use that as a method to ID real callers we
> care about?"
> since that was my suggestion to the stir folk in their very first
> meeting... "what about ebony phones!" said the lawyer from
> telco-ville.