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Re: 60ms cross continent


From: Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 01:07:51 -0700

The most noteworthy thing I'm seeing in C band these days, is many
customers formerly 100% reliant upon it shifting their traffic to newly
built submarine fiber routes.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 11:51 PM Denys Fedoryshchenko <
nuclearcat () nuclearcat com> wrote:

On 2020-07-07 08:32, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
"no clouds" is overstating the effect somewhat. I've operated a number
of mission critical Ku band based systems that met four nines of
overall link uptime. The operational effect of a cloud that isn't an
active downpour of rain is negligible. Continual overcast of clouds is
not much of a problem at all, it's active rain rate in mm/hour and its
statistical likelihood, climate parameters of the location.

Yes, during rain fade events, current generation VSAT modems will drop
all the way down to BPSK 1/2 code rate to maintain a link, with
corresponding effect on real world throughput in kbps each direction,
but entirely dropping a link is rare.

BPSK 1/2 is quite extreme. In my case it was 32APSK 8/9 at 36Mhz
transponder
(yes it was quite large antenna), ~140Mbit, so switching to 1/2 BPSK
will make it
~16Mbit/s, which is pretty useless for telco purposes.
For corporate, end-users, with QoS - it can be ok, but still depends on
climatic zone.
Remember, it is not downlink only issue, but uplink too. And depends on
antenna elevation angle
as well.
Even for end-user it is not fun to have 1/10 of capacity, most likely
means unable to do
video conferencing anymore, for few days, just because it is few rainy
days.
And as Ku is often covering specific regions, often it means rainy days
for most transponder customers.
This is why in zones closer to equator, with their long-term monsoon,
C-Band was only option,
no idea about now.


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