Re: FYI - Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois

[Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve com>]

I find it interesting that they say their clients didn't see it as an
issue. Whenever they called and asked if I want transit my answer always
was when they had v6 peering to He and Gooogle we could talk.


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 12:56 PM Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

> I now longer have a dog in this fight, but “The” peering cake was my
> project (such as it was)...
>
> Cogent has, to the best of my knowledge, always had rather large voids in
> their IPv6 connectivity. To the best of my knowledge, HE and Google are the
> most significant of these voids, but I believe there are others as well.
>
> Some quotes I received from Cogent representatives over the years (some
> may be slightly paraphrased):
>
>         “Hurricane is too small to peer IPv6 with us… They should just buy
> transit from us.”
>         “Why should we peer with HE? Our customers aren’t reporting it as
> a problem.”
>         “Congested links allow us to pass the savings on to our customers.”
>         “We see from ARIN whois that you recently registered an ASN. Want
> to buy transit from us?” (many times over several years)
>                 (This particular violation of the ARIN Whois AUP/TOS
> eventually resulted in Cogent being suspended from using the service)
>
> Owen
>
>
> > On Jan 26, 2020, at 22:41 , Large Hadron Collider <
> large.hadron.collider () gmx com> wrote:
> > Peering cake? Carbohydrates always entice me to peer... :-)
> >
> > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:16:12 -0600
> > "Aaron Gould" <aaron1 () gvtc com> wrote:
> >
> > > I’m pretty sure cogent has had issues providing full internet
> connectivity via ipv6 to google and perhaps he (hurricane electric),
> perhaps others as well, for quite some time now.
> > > -Aaron
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of James Breeden
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:04 PM
> > > To: Rich Kulawiec; North American Network Operators' Group
> > > Subject: RE: FYI - Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmm. Wonder if this can be used to cancel some cogent services... I
> mean, they technically aren't providing access to the full internet now.
> 🤷‍♂️🤔
> > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
> smartphone
> > > -------- Original message --------
> > >
> > > From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
> > >
> > > Date: 1/7/20 7:02 PM (GMT-06:00)
> > >
> > > To: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: FYI - Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 04:54:22PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > > > That said, if there's a stern warning about Cogent abusing the system,
> > > > maybe their customers finding out is a good thing for the overall
> > > > community. ;-)
> > >
> > > And that is what I would suggest: reply to all queries with a notice
> > > that explains what is happening, why it's happening, and provides
> > > contact information for Cogent executives: preferably their *personal*
> > > email addresses and phone numbers.
> > >
> > > ---rsk
> >
> >
> > --
> > Large Hadron Collider <large.hadron.collider () gmx com>