Re: FYI - Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

The part that has me uneasy about that action is that the chance that Cogent sales reps are using Cogent IPs is 
probably low. They're probably doing this work at home. They wouldn't be blocked at all. 




Also, the chance that there are people that wish to use ARIN Whois services that are not Cogent employees and yet come 
from Cogent IP space is quite high. They would be blocked and yet, didn't do anything. 


That said, if there's a stern warning about Cogent abusing the system, maybe their customers finding out is a good 
thing for the overall community. ;-) 




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Mike Hammett 
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Midwest-IX 
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----- Original Message -----

From: "Matt Harris" <matt () netfire net> 
To: "Martin Hannigan" <hannigan () gmail com> 
Cc: "John Curran" <jcurran () arin net>, "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog () nanog org> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 4:48:58 PM 
Subject: Re: FYI - Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois 



On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:46 PM Martin Hannigan < hannigan () gmail com > wrote: 











On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 08:51 John Curran < jcurran () arin net > wrote: 

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On 7 Jan 2020, at 5:01 AM, Martijn Schmidt via NANOG < nanog () nanog org > wrote: 
> Out of curiosity, since we aren't affected by this ourselves, I know of cases where Cogent has sub-allocated IP space 
> to its customers but which those customers originate from their own ASN and then announce to multiple upstream 
> providers. 
>
> So while the IP space is registered to Cogent and allocated to its customer, the AS-path might be something like 
> ^174_456$ but it's entirely possible that ARIN would observe it as ^123_456$ instead. Are such IP address blocks 
> affected by the suspension? 

As noted earlier, ARIN has suspended service for all Cogent-registered IP address blocks - this is being done as a 
discrete IP block access list applied to relevant ARIN Whois services, so the routing of the blocks are immaterial - a 
customer using a suballocation of Cogent space could be affected but customers with their own IP blocks blocks that are 
simply being routed by Cogent are not affected. 





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This is a disproportionate response IMHO. $0.02 


YMMV, 


-M< 
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Seems entirely reasonable to me. You break the rules, you lose the privilege. Works the same way with my 7 year old.