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Re: QUIC traffic throttled on AT&T residential
From: nanog-list () contactdaniel net
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:40:18 -0800
On 2020-02-18 4:32 p.m., Michael Brown wrote:
With blocking in these cases, QUIC falls back to TCP, Happy Eyeballs falls back to IPv4, everybody's happy.
The IPv6 deployment landscape might look considerably better if browser developers were instead to work together to co-ordinate an "unhappy eyeballs" algorithm that was rolled out over time, gradually degrading performance for IPv4-only connectivity situations. Now that non-evergreen browsers are pretty much dead, this might even be a realistic proposal, especially if it were done gradually enough. Google announcing a ranking penalty for IPv4-only sites wouldn't hurt either.
A while after implementing "unhappy eyeballs", once the performance penalties are severe enough that IPv6 adoption is high, the algorithm could be further adjusted to gradually impose penalties on sites that dual-stack instead of going v6-only. Growing prevalence of IPv6-only sites is probably the only thing that will get a lot of access networks to support v6.
The problem with happy eyeballs is that it works too well: excellent backwards compatibility reduces or eliminates the incentives for progress.
Happy eyeballs was necessary for it be realistic for sites to deploy IPv6 support, but now it holds us back.
-- Daniel Dent https://www.danieldent.com
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- Re: QUIC traffic throttled on AT&T residential Masataka Ohta (Feb 19)
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- Re: QUIC traffic throttled on AT&T residential Jay Hennigan (Feb 20)
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- Re: QUIC traffic throttled on AT&T residential Daniel Sterling (Feb 18)
- Re: QUIC traffic throttled on AT&T residential Töma Gavrichenkov (Feb 18)
- Re: QUIC traffic throttled on AT&T residential Daniel Sterling (Feb 19)
- Re: QUIC traffic throttled on AT&T residential Mark Andrews (Feb 19)
- Re: QUIC traffic throttled on AT&T residential Masataka Ohta (Feb 19)