Re: Hulu thinks all my IP addresses are "business class", how to reach them?

[Crist Clark <cjc+nanog () pumpky net>]

Probably because a market would quickly pop up to sell or rent accounts
created in one region to others.

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 2:32 AM tim () pelican org <tim () pelican org> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 20 November, 2019 21:25, "William Herrin" <bill () herrin us>
> said:
>
> > This is why you don't go after Hulu. You go after the content owners who
> > conspired to compel Hulu to limit distribution in a way that tortiously
> > interferes with your contract with your eyeball customers.
>
> Am I the only one who's baffled in the context of a paid service why so
> much focus is put on where the consumption takes place (hard), and so
> little on where the transaction take place (easy)?
>
> I understand, even if I don't necessarily always agree with, market
> segmentation, differentiated pricing, accurate P&L for different business
> units, etc, that mean for example if you're a US citizen you need to pay
> Disney US the prevailing US price to watch Disney content, but if you're an
> EU citizen you need to pay Disney EMEA the prevailing EU price to watch
> Disney content.  Surely that transaction is the thing content creators and
> distributors care about?
>
> If I, as a UK citizen, buy region 2 DVDs at home, take them on my trip to
> the US and watch them on my laptop, no-one is screaming that I'm violating
> someone's geographic distribution rights by doing so.  If a US citizen is
> paying for Hulu, from a US billing address, on a US credit card, but
> happens to be watching from their hotel in Italy, why does anyone care?
>
> I can see why it's different and more complicated for content that's
> provided free but geo-constrained (e.g. BBC iPlayer), but IP geolocation
> for paid services seems a terrible waste of time and effort on both sides.
>
> Or am I woefully naive, and it's actually trivial for a non-US resident to
> come up with a US credit card and billing address to pay for the service?
>
> Regards,
> Tim.
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 2:32 AM tim () pelican org <tim () pelican org> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 20 November, 2019 21:25, "William Herrin" <bill () herrin us>
> said:
>
> > This is why you don't go after Hulu. You go after the content owners who
> > conspired to compel Hulu to limit distribution in a way that tortiously
> > interferes with your contract with your eyeball customers.
>
> Am I the only one who's baffled in the context of a paid service why so
> much focus is put on where the consumption takes place (hard), and so
> little on where the transaction take place (easy)?
>
> I understand, even if I don't necessarily always agree with, market
> segmentation, differentiated pricing, accurate P&L for different business
> units, etc, that mean for example if you're a US citizen you need to pay
> Disney US the prevailing US price to watch Disney content, but if you're an
> EU citizen you need to pay Disney EMEA the prevailing EU price to watch
> Disney content.  Surely that transaction is the thing content creators and
> distributors care about?
>
> If I, as a UK citizen, buy region 2 DVDs at home, take them on my trip to
> the US and watch them on my laptop, no-one is screaming that I'm violating
> someone's geographic distribution rights by doing so.  If a US citizen is
> paying for Hulu, from a US billing address, on a US credit card, but
> happens to be watching from their hotel in Italy, why does anyone care?
>
> I can see why it's different and more complicated for content that's
> provided free but geo-constrained (e.g. BBC iPlayer), but IP geolocation
> for paid services seems a terrible waste of time and effort on both sides.
>
> Or am I woefully naive, and it's actually trivial for a non-US resident to
> come up with a US credit card and billing address to pay for the service?
>
> Regards,
> Tim.