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Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland)
From: Christian Kuhtz via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 06:08:05 +0000
Please use the links I provided to make sure it gets to the right people with the information they need as fast as possible. Thanks, Christian ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg () tristatelogic com> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:15:52 PM To: nanog () nanog org Subject: Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) In message <MW2PR2101MB0892D3ED3F5F3D58F2F30171B2400 () MW2PR2101MB0892 namprd21 prod outlook com>, Christian Kuhtz <chkuhtz () microsoft com> wrote:
we are asking Microsoft CDOC to investigate.
Thank you. I am not at all sure who the mysterious "we" is intended to represent in that sentence. Perpahs it is just intended as the royal "we" as in "We are not amused." But I don't really care. I am greatful for any assitance from whatever quarter.
You can find a variety of ways to report issues at their website as well: https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fmsrc%2Fcdoc&data=02%7C01%7Cchkuhtz%40microsoft.com%7Ca476f83d6507497b512908d6ac21bf7f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636885658276641149&sdata=qg2YKsQ%2FjLtlgD7E4Gfjq0zJET%2Bvr07aCHynATFlbzU%3D&reserved=0
I do not use web forms to report spam incidents, even those as widespread and blatantly criminal as in this instance. It's a matter of principal. Why should companies such as these hide behind impersonal web forms, even as their paying customers are allowed to incessantly badger and harass me, and millions of others, via the medium of email? Are they too good to get down in the muck of email with the rest of us mere peasants? It appears that they think so. And in any event, where is the evidence that filling in such a form would result in any actual action whatsoever? I don't see any. Quite the opposite. What I see, and what is exemplified by this specific case, is that EVEN IF people do actually jump through all of the ridiculous hoops, spammers like this are allowed to just go on and on an on. Where is the accountability, either personal or corporate? Who, specifically, should be blamed, or can be blamed, if the output of such a web form is improperly being diverted, on a routine basis, to /dev/null? If I'm going to invest (or waste?) my time in meticulously explaining to some large corporation, exactly how they are screwing up, and/or exactly who and where their bad customers are, then is it really asking too much to hope and expect that these same companies should, at the very least, make available some actual human being with whom I can interact, as necessary, in order to make sure that they understand what I have taken my time to research and explain to them? It's a serious question, and I am constantly befuddled by the apparent desire of large corporations... even and perhaps especially those in the "communications" business... to isolate themselves from any and all outside communications, even those which might be helpful and beneficial to the corporations themselves. In short, would it really kill your people in your Digital Crimes Unit to just simply publish their names and email addresses, you know, sort of like the rest of us mere mortals do? Furthermore, I am compelled to ask this additional question: Why should it even be incumbant upon an unpaid volunteer Internet firefighters, such as myself, to inform various multi-billion dollar corporations that they have a problem? Are they really incapable of keeping a close eye on their own networks and figuring this out for themselves? I confess that on some days it would seem so. I now have your email address, which I see is in the microsoft.com domain. And I thank you for that. I hope that you won't begrudge me too awfully much if, the next time such a situation arises, I make use of it. As I have bemoaned at length now, it is both rare and difficult to find an actual and/or accountable human at most of the large corporations that run so much of the modern Internet, and thus, I am greatful to have one more such contact in my back pocket, especially given that you have already demonstrated that you both care and will take at least some action in response to serious ongoing situations such as this one. I thank you, and only ask that you please stay healthy and do not seek employment elsewhere, at least until my own demise or until the sun goes nova, whichever comes first. Regards, rfg
Current thread:
- Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Ronald F. Guilmette (Mar 18)
- Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Dovid Bender (Mar 18)
- Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Christian Kuhtz via NANOG (Mar 18)
- Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Nikolas Geyer (Mar 18)
- Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Ronald F. Guilmette (Mar 18)
- Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Christian Kuhtz via NANOG (Mar 18)
- Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Tom Beecher (Mar 19)
- RE: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Ray Orsini (Mar 19)
- RE: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Jack Barrett (Appia) (Mar 19)
- Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Ronald F. Guilmette (Mar 19)
- Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) David Hubbard (Mar 19)
- Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Rich Kulawiec (Mar 27)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Ronald F. Guilmette (Mar 18)
- Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Stephen Satchell (Mar 18)
- Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Jeff McAdams (Mar 19)
- Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland) Rich Kulawiec (Mar 19)
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