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Re: Last Mile Design


From: Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl () gmail com>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 16:46:42 +0100

Hello

There are of course regions where monopoly has created even higher prices. But it should be fair to compare the Skåne region of Sweden directly with the greater Copenhagen area of Denmark, as those are separated by just a bridge.

In Denmark the government choose to regulate access to the fiber infrastructure owned by the incumbent operator TDC. The cheapest access is to "raw fiber" meaning the "alternate operator" gets access to an uninterrupted stretch of fiber between a POP and the end user. We can then connect our own equipment in both ends. My company started out by doing exactly that. We were the first to implement GPON technology on the TDC owned fiber. TDC was at the time using active ethernet, but have since started migrating everything to GPON as well. Maybe they got inspired.

The regulated prices are found here:

https://erhvervsstyrelsen.dk/sites/default/files/media/endelig_prisafgoerelse_lraic_fastnet_2019.pdf

Sorry, that document is in danish. Maybe the swedish guys can understand some of it.

There are multiple prices, but the price we pay for most of our users is (1584-577)/12 = DKK 83.92 / month (USD 12.76 / EUR 11.24).

As you get access to the fiber itself, nobody will care what speeds or even what technology you use on that fiber.

It is also possible to rent access to so called "bit stream access". In this case TDC will provide a VPN connection to the end user and the operator will just have to provide the IP service. To compare with that 250 Mbit/s swedish offering, we can lookup the price for 250 Mbit/s BSA service in the DONG area (this means mostly anything near Copenhagen): (2170-625.7)/12 = DKK 128.69 / month (USD 19.56 / EUR 17.24).

How much do you really need to add on top of that, if all you need to do is buy that $0.12/Mbps transit from HE.net and let TDC take care of everything else?

In any case, we are now building out our own fiber to cover the gaps left by TDC. Here the end user has to pay DKK 12,000 (USD 1,824 / EUR 1,608) one time fee and with that he gets everything including 5 years of free internet. This works out at DKK 200 / month including 25% VAT tax (USD 30 / EUR 27).

I guarantee that it is not possible to build at this price without using PON technology. The network is fully funded by the users themselves and we have a paid off network after just 5 years.

Regards,

Baldur


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