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Re: Weekly Routing Table Report
From: Masataka Ohta <mohta () necom830 hpcl titech ac jp>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 20:14:01 +0900
Nick Hilliard wrote:
If you can't accept the following principle of the End to End argument: The function in question can completely and correctly be implemented only with the knowledge and help of the application standing at the end points of the communication system.this is a straw man argument.
The text is in the original paper on the principle: End-To-End Arguments in System Design J. H. SALTZER, D. P. REED, and D. D. CLARK http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/End-to-End%20Arguments%20in%20System%20Design.pdf
E2E works regardless of the current network-based multihoming mechanism or the proposals in draft-ohta-e2e-multihoming.
As the next sentence of the paper is: Therefore, providing that questioned function as a feature of the communication system itself is not possible which means: Therefore, providing multihoming as a feature of the communication system itself is not possible you are wrong.
Your proposal is almost a text-book case of RFC1925, section 6:
FYI, the rfc was published on 1 April.
I.e. instead of having network level complexity, you're proposing to shift the problem to maintaining both state and network into the host level. No doubt it has some benefits, but this comes at the cost of bringing dfz complexity down to the host and all the consequent support, scaling and management headaches associated with that. I.e. the problem space shifts, but is not solved.
So, you are joking, aren't you?
> feel free to keep using POTS not smart phones.Thank you, I certainly will. Conversely, please feel free to use arguments instead of rhetoric.
Instead of rhetoric, I argue by quoting from papers, hopefully not published on 1 April, validity of which is well recognized. Masataka Ohta
Current thread:
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report, (continued)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Masataka Ohta (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Owen DeLong (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Masataka Ohta (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Ross Tajvar (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Owen DeLong (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Masataka Ohta (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Nick Hilliard (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Masataka Ohta (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Nick Hilliard (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Masataka Ohta (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Nick Hilliard (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Masataka Ohta (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Masataka Ohta (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Ross Tajvar (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Masataka Ohta (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Masataka Ohta (Aug 31)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report Wayne Bouchard (Aug 30)
- Re: Weekly Routing Table Report bzs (Aug 30)